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Old 07-14-2010, 01:28 AM
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I don't get it either. Being a Jew doesn't mean you are a Zionist.
End of Zionism = peace only if Islamism ends too.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:58 AM
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The problem I see is that every time someone comes out in support of Israel you equate it to Zionism and how bad it is to be a non-Zionist Jew and how bad the treatment is that you get for not being Zionist.

A Jew may be Zionist("Next year in Jerusalem" ring a bell?) But not all Zionist are Jews
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:37 AM
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He will lift up an ensign and they shall come, Isa. 5:26.
With great mercies will I gather thee, Isa. 54:7.
Israel and Judah are to be gathered to their lands, Jer. 30:3.
The Lord shall gather the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, Ezek. 28:25.
In the dispensation of the fulness of times he will gather in one all things... Eph. 1:10.


seems to me that it is part of scriptures / religious beliefs that the Jewish people will retain their rights to the land God Himself gave to them...


(Old Testament | Exodus3:8)
8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a land flowing with milk and honey...


http://biblestudents.com/Israel.cfm

(Old Testament | Genesis13:14 - 15)
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
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When zionist made them one and the same.
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Smoke just so you know I have a high level of respect for Judaism. Judaism is a high step above the other two Abrahamic religions. I am not sure Moses even existed, as I said in that particular thread, but it is my opinion that IF he did exist AS the Bible says, then yes, he wasn't a very good guy.
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Smoke just so you know I have a high level of respect for Judaism. Judaism is a high step above the other two Abrahamic religions. I am not sure Moses even existed, as I said in that particular thread, but it is my opinion that IF he did exist AS the Bible says, then yes, he wasn't a very good guy.
That other thread though showed how he wasn't very bad. Especially considering the historic context. I also don't know if I would say Judaism is a high step above the other two Abrahamic religions. I think the main difference is that Judaism never gained the same amount of power.
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Smoke just so you know I have a high level of respect for Judaism.
I don't think people here are hearing that. We mostly hear about your Jewish heritage in the context of threads like this one. It seems to me that you want to have credibility as a Jew, but we don't seem to hear about your Jewishness except in the context of your saying things about Israel and Judaism that many of the members, Jewish and non-Jewish, find offensive.

You can see how that puts a lot of people off.
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Israelis think they should have their own state too , where did you get the idea they didnt?
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I don´t support the actions of Israel, and I have nothing against the jews.
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