Heroes (hell, Jewish, Christians, Christ, religion)

[SoulTYPE]

mr C don't follow my examples..

Carrdero couple are good heroes..

[No*s]

Huajiro, I think we could add Socrates to the ranks since we have MLK. Socrates' trial and execution has always been inspiring to me .

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by No*s

Huajiro, I think we could add Socrates to the ranks since we have MLK. Socrates' trial and execution has always been inspiring to me .

Please elaborate....and maybe put some info about Socrates for us...thnx

[SoulTYPE]

Actually as f'd as this sounds, I think HelpMe is a minor hero. He does not care what people say about his posts and he still continues to post. He is trying to participate.

[huajiro]

I wish people would contribute more to this....I can't believe no one has as many heroes as me.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by huajiro

Please elaborate....and maybe put some info about Socrates for us...thnx

I'm sorry, I thought it was a rather known one, so I didn't post it. The whole story can be read in Plato's Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedrus. These may be found at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu or one of its mirrors in the classics section.

Socrates was an old man who challenged the popular understanding of the Greek gods. The Athenians tried him impiety (asebia) and sentanced him to death by drinking hemlock. His friend Crito came to bail him out of prison, but Socrates adamantly refused. He pointed out he had a duty to his polis, so he wouldn't flee. He'd preached duty and loyalty for so long, fleeing would have reduced his insights to hypocrisy. Crito went away understanding, though I imagine dissatisfied.

Finally when the time of his death came, Socrates accepted death without qualm. He drank the poison, walked around till his body got tired, laid down, and died. His last words were asking a friend to take care of a debt he owed of one chicken.

He also believed that he had a daemon speaking to him. It told him when he violated what was moral and served as a guide to his conscience. This shouldn't be confused with "demon" as Christians understand it. While it is the same word, it had not yet been narrowed down to evil spirits. A daemon could be either good or evil, depending on who, and were ethereal beings. Here, Socrates believed his was good and helping him. I guess if you use Linux or *BSD, you can compare them to computer daemons. The term was explicitly chosen, because they are processes that work in the background, the user hardly ever sees them, but form a central role .

I hope that is better.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by No*s

I'm sorry, I thought it was a rather known one, so I didn't post it. The whole story can be read in Plato's Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedrus. These may be found at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu or one of its mirrors in the classics section.

Socrates was an old man who challenged the popular understanding of the Greek gods. The Athenians tried him impiety (asebia) and sentanced him to death by drinking hemlock. His friend Crito came to bail him out of prison, but Socrates adamantly refused. He pointed out he had a duty to his polis, so he wouldn't flee. He'd preached duty and loyalty for so long, fleeing would have reduced his insights to hypocrisy. Crito went away understanding, though I imagine dissatisfied.

Finally when the time of his death came, Socrates accepted death without qualm. He drank the poison, walked around till his body got tired, laid down, and died. His last words were asking a friend to take care of a debt he owed of one chicken.

He also believed that he had a daemon speaking to him. It told him when he violated what was moral and served as a guide to his conscience. This shouldn't be confused with "demon" as Christians understand it. While it is the same word, it had not yet been narrowed down to evil spirits. A daemon could be either good or evil, depending on who, and were ethereal beings. Here, Socrates believed his was good and helping him. I guess if you use Linux or *BSD, you can compare them to computer daemons. The term was explicitly chosen, because they are processes that work in the background, the user hardly ever sees them, but form a central role .

I hope that is better.

Thanks....I just like to know why they are "your" heroes. oddly enough I work with dedicated servers and do know what you mean by them being computer daemons. I understood something, I understood something!!!!

[Doc]

Although I may be crucified for this and then beaten with a keyboard, I believe that some draft dodgers were minor heroes with no intention of being so. I somewhat admire them for standing up for their beliefs and not partaking in a war that they did not believe in or was moral. I admire their will to stand up for their rights. I don't believe in the draft.

(Note- I beg of all of you not to start a debate with me about a war or the draft or the dodgers. I almost hate debating it considering I spent most of last Spring arguing it with many people)

[huajiro]

I completly agree with you Doc....I used to be very patriotic...until my son was born. I am not loyal to any religion, country.....I am loyal to him...if I must go to another country to stay around for him.....goddbye United States!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't however call them heroes, as they did nothing for anyone but themselves.

[Lightkeeper]

Originally Posted by huajiro

Actually, I have always been obsessed with them. It comes from all the stories when I was a kid. Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, etc etc...I think we should all strive to be just like them.

I am sure we have all heard about the same ones in our history, I just want to learn about new ones, I think they deserve to be remembered.

You say we should all strive to be just like them. I think what made them heroes, is that they all had the courage to be themselves. That's what made them unique, they weren't carbon copies. The way we could strive to be like them is to be ourselves no matter what, to find our own unique path. Maybe we are our own hero.