Freewill versus God's Plan (Jesus Christ, ritual, Creator, choices, choice)

[GodLovesUs]

Personally, how would you defferentiate God's Plan versus freewill. How would you know which one is which?

For me its very difficult to detemine which one is which. All I know is I practice things that are good in terms of feleing in myself.

God Bless

[kreeden]

Free Will is a part of the Creator's plan . If not , we wouldn't have it .

[dawny0826]

Originally Posted by GodLovesUs

Personally, how would you defferentiate God's Plan versus freewill. How would you know which one is which?

For me its very difficult to detemine which one is which. All I know is I practice things that are good in terms of feleing in myself.

God Bless

I always know if I'm headed in the wrong direction. Very rarely, do I do wrong without knowing in my gut that my actions are wrong.

God has a plan for my life but he's given me freewill. All I can do is dedicate myself everyday to Jesus Christ...pray for guidance and direction and pray that the Spirit will press upon me what I need to do or not to do for self edification.

Most of the spiritual confirmation that I receive is FELT moreso than SEEN. Kind of like faith...walk by faith...not by sight.

[michel]

Originally Posted by GodLovesUs

Personally, how would you defferentiate God's Plan versus freewill. How would you know which one is which?

For me its very difficult to detemine which one is which. All I know is I practice things that are good in terms of feleing in myself.

God Bless

God's plan.....I think all I know of it is that he wants us all to be good, and to love one another.

Freewill, we have to choose to be good, and spread love. If we just did it because we were told to, It wouldn't be worth all the bother; which is why God wants us to have faith in him, and b) to be at one with him as soon as possible

[dawny0826]

Originally Posted by michel

God's plan.....I think all I know of it is that he wants us all to be good, and to love one another.

Freewill, we have to choose to be good, and spread love. If we just did it because we were told to, It wouldn't be worth all the bother; which is why God wants us to have faith in him, and b) to be at one with him as soon as possible

Amen to that, Michel!

[ch'ang]

The fact of the matter is that a god cannot be all knowing and still give his his denizens the power of free will, the two are irreconcilable

[dawny0826]

Originally Posted by ch'ang

The fact of the matter is that a god cannot be all knowing and still give his his denizens the power of free will, the two are irreconcilable

No...

It's more like...we truly can make our own choices...he just knows what our choices are before we make them...

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by GodLovesUs

Personally, how would you defferentiate God's Plan versus freewill. How would you know which one is which?

For me its very difficult to detemine which one is which. All I know is I practice things that are good in terms of feleing in myself.

God Bless

Two thoughts.

First, God knows what is possible to know. What we will choose God cannot know, but God can know the outcome for every possible choice, and weave God's redemptive purpose through every situation. God's will is so interwoven into freewill that we can't tell the difference; unless, of course, God tells us.

Second, I believe that God has two "wills." That is, God's purpose is expressed to humanity in at least two ways. First, God has an active will. This is what God actively chooses to do, like create the world or send Jesus, or desires like telling us what is best for our lives. Second, God has a redemptive will, which is the antithesis to freewill. We can choose to disobey God, and God works his redemptive plan to restore us.

IMHO, God can freely disrupt freewill, like forcing Judas to betray Jesus in the Gospel story. I could be wrong... I'm still working on this.

[ch'ang]

It's more like...we truly can make our own choices...he just knows what our choices are before we make them...

Which in turn means that the future is predetermined and we truly have no free will.