The American Indian and Palistinians. (Jesus, myths, church, pagan)

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by benjosh

I think the comparison of Palestinians and the Native Americans are similar in principle. The dominant cultures marginalize those of a different culture no matter where that may be.

But that can be said about many groups in many different cultures. Why single out these two for comparsion when they really have nothing else in common?

[john63]

I find it interesting that the LDS faction (except for Benjosh) is strangely quiet on issues of native Americans. Is it not your opinion that native Americans were origionally Israelites?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by john63

I find it interesting that the LDS faction (except for Benjosh) is strangely quiet on issues of native Americans. Is it not your opinion that native Americans were origionally Israelites?

We absolutely believe that some of the Native Americans are descendents of the House of Israel. I don't think any of us would deny that for a minute. But, when you say "Native Americans," you're talking about an enormous and very diverse group of people. To generalize, and say that the Native Americans were originally Israelites simply would not be accurate. We believe that many groups of people migrated to the American continent in ancient times. Among these were Lehi and his family. They intermarried, merged with other groups, etc. To make a blanket statement about the origins of the American Indians is foolhardy and asking for an argument. I find myself in enough arguments without going out looking for them!

[jeffrey]

I think native Americans migrated here from Asia, but that's a different thread. I also agree there is a big difference. The 1st settlers took the land that was never theirs. I also say a tape once where Arafat, if i spelled his name right, said there would never be piece until that last jew was dead. Pretty scary.

[Eynah]

Originally Posted by Maize

But that can be said about many groups in many different cultures. Why single out these two for comparsion when they really have nothing else in common?

In the thread in question, the reason I mentioned the Native Americans is because of the fact who I was asking lived in Utah. I was asking if they came to the Gov. of Utah and asked for the land back, if he would willingly leave. I am not saying that they are even remotely similar, or at least trying to. I was more trying to bring it into something that he could relate to on a more personal level.

As to the original question, I don't really think that there is too big be a connection. I honestly think that the bigger problem with the Palestine/Israel conflict is that everyone keeps getting involved. The UN, the US, etc. If there is to ever an end, I think that they would need to work together and come to it themselves.

I think native Americans migrated here from Asia, but that's a different thread. I also agree there is a big difference. The 1st settlers took the land that was never theirs. I also say a tape once where Arafat, if i spelled his name right, said there would never be piece until that last jew was dead. Pretty scary.

I do think that this whole thing is scary, and that some of the people on both sides are very out there. I remember that when Arafat was in the hospital before his death. One of my history teachers, who had spent time and taught in Israel went out drinking because he thought it was such a good thing. I think that's partly because of the fact that he had to deal with some of his students deaths, among other things.

[benjosh]

Originally Posted by john63

I find it interesting that the LDS faction (except for Benjosh) is strangely quiet on issues of native Americans. Is it not your opinion that native Americans were origionally Israelites?

John63 I see that you are from Maine. Are you familiar with the history of Jonesport, Maine. Joseph Smith encouraged Geroge Adams to colonize Palestine in arounf 1844. George Adams believing as Smith did that the the Jews (Judah) would regather according to the prophets, literally moved houses from Jonesport and started a colony in Jaffa.

Reed Holmes, of the RLDS traces his family history to that colony and has written a book entitled, Dreamers of Zion. That show that Joseph Smith was well rounded in his understanding of BIble prophecy and committed to Israel.

ANd, the Native Americans were considered of the tribe of Manasseh.


BenJosh

[opensoul7]

benjosh and john 63,(off topic)
I was told recently that either smith or young or both were members of the Freemasons , and because of that Utah ended up being the beehive state , wich is symbolic of freemasonry.Seeing as you are both on opposite sides of this question could you shed any light on it ? This is all hearsay and I have not verified any of it , just thought I would ask.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by opensoul7

benjosh and john 63,(off topic)
I was told recently that either smith or young or both were members of the Freemasons , and because of that Utah ended up being the beehive state , wich is symbolic of freemasonry.Seeing as you are both on opposite sides of this question could you shed any light on it ? This is all hearsay and I have not verified any of it , just thought I would ask.

I'm not Benjosh or John63 (in case you didn't notice), but Joseph Smith was a Mason at one time. I don't think Brigham Young was, but I might be wrong. However, the Beehive (Utah's state emblem) is supposed to stand for Industry. It has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

[opensoul7]

Well the info is welcome from whever it comes , thanks katzpur!
Yes the beehive is a symbol of industry , and is also used in freemasonry for similiar meaning. htpp://freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/bees .html there is more on the net but just a quick find .So could it have a deeper or dual meaning for the state.

[opensoul7]

Katzpur ,
just looked up some things , started a new thread please give me your input , thanks.