The IMPOSTER State of "Isra'el" (Jesus, Messiah, Torah)

[Natural Submission]

Shalom aleychem,

Since the establishment of the so-called state of “Isra’el” in 1948, many questions have surfaced as to the legitimacy of this title from Jew’s, Christian’s and Muslim’s alike. Has this state met the criteria needed to wave such a banner? Has this state fulfilled the prophecies of the Tanakh bringing forth Shalom and Hashlamah? Many Jewish Theologians and Rabbi’s alike, unanimously agree that Biblical prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when “Israel” became an independent nation for the second time in almost 3000 years. However, there has been a great deal of controversy and heated debates concerning this claim. Many Rabbi’s say this is nothing more than an imposter state, headed by the henchmen of Satan himself, falling short of prophecy, and declaring its own illegitimacy.

i tend to agree with the later on this issue, for according to the Bible, this state has not lived up to its name in any way…


“I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.” Amos 9:14-15

"However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.” Jeremiah 16:14-15

These are prophecies concerning the rebirth of True Isra’el. These prophecies tell of a time of Hashlamah, a time of shalom, salaam (Islam). A time of true peace, never to be invaded again. The name of God will rule Supreme under ONE nation, ONE family and ONE love. Only could such a state be declared by God’s chosen Messiah. Most people assume these prophecies have come true in 1948 when so-called Isra’el was established. Contrary to this evil deception the Bible speaks out…

“and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.” Ezekiel 37:21-22”

Clearly Palestine (the so-called state of “Isra’el”) is a divided nation, constantly at war with blood on the streets. The ‘old’ cities remain in ruins while race-ism, national-ism, class-ism, sex-ism, and every evil imaginable reigns triumphant in the land. The Zionist dictators continue to control this police state, the same way the Nazi’s controlled the innocent, making them slaves and burying them in mass graves. The Muslim Palestinian’s are continually beaten down and murdered in the open streets. Their homes are destroyed with bulldozers and their children are raped and tortured.

Moreover, how could this be one nation in the land when the Zionist’s have built a huge wall through the whole country? If this doesn’t denote DIVISION rather than unity, i don’t know what does.

Ezekiel said they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms, yet anyone with eyes to see can clearly see the dividing wall and the separate countries (or kingdoms). How could Isra’el, the land of peace and equanimity, be the most war torn country in the world?

With the establishment of “Isra’el” in 1948 has come nothing but a brutal dictatorship, murder and tyranny. This is NOT the state spoken of in the Tanakh. This is nothing more than an IMPOSTER state led by the agents of Satan. Why would such a state be implemented? Does Satan expect the REAL state to come soon?

There will be one king over all of them…

Are we not told Mashiach ben David is the King of Isra’el? All traditions whether Jewish, ‘Christian’ or Islamic, ALL accept the Messiah as the King of Isra’el.

So what’s going on?
Why is there a country calling itself “Isra’el?
Mashiach is not the acting ruler or King…
Palestine is not one nation indivisible…
The cities still lie in ruins…
There is hatred and bloodshed in the streets…
There are MULTIPLE “religions” within the country…

Palestine has been occupied by Satan’s henchmen and turned into a police state. There have been towers built along the dividing wall, wherein Zionist Nazi’s fire bullets into the hearts of women and children. How can this be a peaceful state of YHWH? This is a police state of warfare…

Of course i am not speaking out against the innocent Jews and Muslims that have been made victims of the Zionist agenda, rather i am questioning the authenticity of this state of Isra’el. Perhaps i am insane for questioning this. Is this the Land of Shalom spoken of by the Holy Prophets of YHWH? If so why is there so much war and bloodshed? If so, why hasn’t Mashiach descended and taken his God given Kingdom? Why haven’t the old cities been rebuilt and occupied by God’s people? Am i interpreting the scriptures wrong? If this is the foretold land of peace, i would hate to see the land of war.

Does anyone have any other scriptures to share on this matter? Was this deception spoken of in the tanakh? If anyone can shed more light on this subject, that would be great.

[Feathers in Hair]

I think I can safely say that I've never heard the phrase

Zionist Nazi’s

before.

[jewscout]

As i said in you completely identical thread....

Are we not told Mashiach ben David is the King of Isra’el? All traditions whether Jewish, ‘Christian’ or Islamic, ALL accept Jesus the Messiah as the King of Isra’el.

What Jews are you talking about???

[Natural Submission]

My fault, i meant the Messiah to come, i have made the change. Clearly most Jews do NOT accept Rev Yashua' as Mashiach unfortunately.

[jewscout]

Natural Submission,
How do you know that this secular state of Israel is not the first flowerings of what is to come? Perhaps HaShem as permitted this state to be created in order to bring home the House of Israel
Sages and commentators and Torah Scholars have and continue to argue over the role the present state of Israel will play in the coming of the Moshiach ben David...
One thing is certain, in Judaism at least, the Rambam says we are not to try to predict the coming of the Moshiach, he shall come in HaShem's time...

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Natural Submission

My fault, i meant the Messiah to come, i have made the change. Clearly most Jews do NOT accept Rev Yashua' as Mashiach unfortunately.

Well yeah he never completed the job and to be the Moshiach you have to finish it all...not do half and save the rest for later...the Moshiach ben David is not that sort of role.

[Natural Submission]

How do you know that this secular state of Israel is not the first flowerings of what is to come?

Maybe, maybe not!?! i don't know... i am only questioning its authenticity. Plus i was under the impression that The Messiah would re-establish Isra'el, therefore to see this state operating now seems peculiar??? Especially when none of the major prophecies have come true to speak of. i'm not pretending to know something i don't, but when i see the evil government of modern day Eretz Yisrael fornicating in the land and spilling blood in the street, i am going to speak out against it in the name of God.

You will know a tree by its fruits, and the fruits of so-called "Isra'el" are poisonous and rotten. i would LOVE to think this modern day state is a fore-runner of what's to come, but if this is an example of what's to come, i dread the future of our people.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Natural Submission

Maybe, maybe not!?! i don't know... i am only questioning its authenticity. Plus i was under the impression that The Messiah would re-establish Isra'el, therefore to see this state operating now seems peculiar??? Especially when none of the major prophecies have come true to speak of. i'm not pretending to know something i don't, but when i see the evil government of modern day Eretz Yisrael fornicating in the land and spilling blood in the street, i am going to speak out against it in the name of God.

He will bring about the engathering of the exhiles, the "Nation of Israel", remember half the world's jewish population still live outside of Israel, mostly in the US.

Evil governement it may be but HaShem will use even evil for His purposes. This government you don't care for is the government that will stand up to fight for jews, you don't think the IDF won't defend to the last man innocent jewish lives? Why do you think many have already signed petitions refusing to remove settlers from their lands in the Gaza strip? America runs a close second but America also is not a state of Jews and G-d forbid something should happen here in the US like what happened in Germany in the 1930's where else are the Jews gonna go?? France?!? HA!

[Natural Submission]

Yeah i see your point, but i think there is a great deal of deception we must consider. Ha'Satan is not called the deceiver because he is unable to fool the masses. i don't know if the government would defend the Jews for the sake of YHWH or not. i hope so. Clearly Isra'el is where we will gather, but i am very suspicious of this modern state.

You are absolutely correct when you say God could use the evil forces for strategic alignment, as has been the case since the beginning. Perhaps THAT is the point of this Imposter state altogether? Time will tell.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Natural Submission

Yeah i see your point, but i think there is a great deal of deception we must consider. Ha'Satan is not called the deceiver because he is unable to fool the masses. i don't know if the government would defend the Jews for the sake of YHWH or not. i hope so. Clearly Isra'el is where we will gather, but i am very suspicious of this modern state.

You are absolutely correct when you say God could use the evil forces for strategic alignment, as has been the case since the beginning. Perhaps THAT is the point of this Imposter state altogether? Time will tell.

How can The satan, an angel, deceive anyone without G-d's instruction to do so? He's an angel he has no free will.
Only HaShem and Man have free will to make choices to do anything on their own by the teachings of the Rambam.