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Old 07-02-2009, 05:53 AM
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No, they were a bra.
nice i like that. not wearing the bra, i mean the statement.
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Old 07-02-2009, 02:59 PM
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As a feminist, I don't believe in telling a woman what she can or cannot wear. It is not the government's business to intrude. It's an issue of personal liberty (whether you find it liberating to wear one or not), privacy, and freedom of religion.
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Old 07-03-2009, 12:20 AM
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As a feminist, I don't believe in telling a woman what she can or cannot wear. It is not the government's business to intrude. It's an issue of personal liberty (whether you find it liberating to wear one or not), privacy, and freedom of religion.
What about freedom from religion?
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Old 07-03-2009, 12:22 AM
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What about freedom from religion?
become an atheist.
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Old 07-03-2009, 06:44 AM
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What about freedom from religion?
Doesn't exist. Freedom OF religion means you have no more right to impose atheism on others than they have to impose religion on you.
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Doesn't exist. Freedom OF religion means you have no more right to impose atheism on others than they have to impose religion on you.
I know, its a shame.

I'm not a fan of major religions attempts to spread their seed.
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Old 07-03-2009, 09:45 AM
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Doesn't exist. Freedom OF religion means you have no more right to impose atheism on others than they have to impose religion on you.
I don't know.

The Establishment Clause doesn't state freedom of or freedom from religion. It states that the Federal government (and by extension of the 14th amendment) the state government cannot impose a recognized or new religion on citizens.

If one takes into account that one of the debating points for this clause was the taking of taxes to fund religious services then the Establishment Clause can indeed be stating that we are free from religion in a roundabout way.

That and the freedom of conscience debate which is at the core of the Establishment Clause could also be taken to mean that we are free from a traditional notion of state religion.

But it's probably more of a semantical point then anything else.
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:34 AM
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I know, its a shame.

I'm not a fan of major religions attempts to spread their seed.
Yeah, the whole lack of a double standard is terrible.

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I don't know.

The Establishment Clause doesn't state freedom of or freedom from religion. It states that the Federal government (and by extension of the 14th amendment) the state government cannot impose a recognized or new religion on citizens.

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That and the freedom of conscience debate which is at the core of the Establishment Clause could also be taken to mean that we are free from a traditional notion of state religion.

But it's probably more of a semantical point then anything else.
I'm sorry, gnomon, but I really have no idea what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase, please?
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I'm sorry, gnomon, but I really have no idea what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase, please?
I could try but I would probably hurt myself.

I'll think on it a bit more.
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