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Old 01-31-2009, 12:31 AM
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Agreed. There is a movement called 'Reclaim the Swastika', that is trying to reclaim the swastika to it's original purpose and meaning. Before the Nazi's used it for the own despicable purposes, it was originally used in Sanskrit representing 'good luck'.



Though, this could lead into an entirely different thread about whether we are able, or even should take symbols that were used for great evil (despite any of their history) and give them a new and better symbolization.

If anyone would like to take on that discussion, follow it here: Can bad symbols be used for good?
Taken from another thread to discuss whether one can take a symbol that has negative connotation and turn into a positive.

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Old 01-31-2009, 12:33 AM
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Sure. It's just a symbol. I think we should make all symbols "good" because symbols are awsome, and there is no use making people feel bad when they see a little scribble of a symbol when it can make them feel good instead.
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Sure. It's just a symbol. I think we should make all symbols "good" because symbols are awsome, and there is no use making people feel bad when they see a little scribble of a symbol when it can make them feel good instead.
Do you really think that a symbol such as the swatiska taken by the Nazi's can ever fully be turned back into the originally meaning in Sanskrit?
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:36 AM
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Do you really think that a symbol such as the swatiska taken by the Nazi's can ever fully be turned back into the originally meaning in Sanskrit?
Sure it can. But how long it will take is another question though.
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sure but you need a damm good reason otherwise people won't be bothered
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Symbols rely on the culture and society that surrounds them to give them power. What you're really asking is, can western society ignore the strong connotations and associations we have that connect the Swastika to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust in order to avoid negatively judging innocent Religious traditions which also use the symbol. I would hope the answer is yes, though a certain degree of time is needed for the cultural disassociation of the negative in question.

In a more general sense, it will be easy for society to do this with symbols that are less culturally powerful.
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:25 PM
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Do you really think that a symbol such as the swatiska taken by the Nazi's can ever fully be turned back into the originally meaning in Sanskrit?
Yeah. Because they did it the other way around easily enough.
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Yeah. Because they did it the other way around easily enough.

Maybe the question is that is it easier to turn a good symbol bad then a bad symbol good?
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Maybe the question is that is it easier to turn a good symbol bad then a bad symbol good?
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There's no such thing as a "bad symbol." What's bad is what they were used to represent. What if Christianity used a swastika instead of a cross and the Nazis used a cross instead of a swastika? It doesn't make Christianity evil and the Nazis good. The things they represent don't change. Just like names.

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By any other name would smell as sweet."
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