Natural/Unnatural (moral, punishment, birth control, homosexuality, hell)

Fluffy · #1 01-07-2005, 05:16 PM

What are these 2 things? Are either of them wrong or sinful? Why?

I ask these questions because many people ask whether something is natural or not, including quite a few people over the last few days in threads on this board, and yet I don't really understand exactly what people mean by them.

Additionally, I don't understand why many people make the leap from something being unnatural to it being wrong. I can see a difference between the 2 terms, just not in terms of morality so why is it that people do this?

cardero · #2 01-07-2005, 05:21 PM

Anything that goes against the design, PURPOSE or NATURE of the Universe is UNNATURAL. There is an energy, a force, I have created that does nothing but elect what is NATURAL and UNNATURAL. There are laws and practices in the Universe, as YOU
K(NOW), that must work and flow in a certain way. The reason for this is to maintain a high degree of order or organization. I created this "program" to maintain and regulate itself. I created this to perfection. By perfection, I mean it was created to work THIS WAY because there was NO OTHER WAY it could work and still BE practical and efficient.

Many functions in your society mirror the intentions of NATURE that needed to BE created so everything could operate in unison with the ONE. A simple example of this would BE traffic lights. The concept of traffic lights was created by humans for the PURPOSE of regulating and handling traffic orderly and efficiently. Nobody stands around to watch to see if the traffic lights are doing their job unless they malfunction. Although traffic lights do not judge, they still have a job to perform.

I do not judge what is UNNATURAL. NATURE does not judge UNNATURABILITY. That is part of its PURPOSE. By judging I mean deeming what is worthy and what is unworthy. NATURE does not exact punishment nor seek retribution. NATURE can BE sidestepped but it cannot BE fooled. When it is bypassed, it works harder to step up production to return things to a NATURAL order.

Try not to confuse this with sinful or unholy, which are human-made words. UNNATURAL in this context means it goes against NATURE.

Hello It's Me: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: Homosexuality
Pages: 59-60

Fluffy · #3 01-07-2005, 05:31 PM

Are you suggesting that nature should not have a morality attached to it at all? That it is basically amoral?

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By perfection, I mean it was created to work THIS WAY because there was NO OTHER WAY it could work and still BE practical and efficient.

The idea that the driving force behind nature should be efficiency rather than morality seems far more logical. It makes me wonder exactly where this blurring occured since I do suggest that something unnatural is wrong, just that this is commonly suggested.

cardero · #4 01-07-2005, 05:42 PM

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Fluffy writes:Are you suggesting that nature should not have a morality attached to it at all? That it is basically amoral?

The chapter that this conversation came from was on homosexuality though I think there are many other examples that we could apply what is NATURAL and what is UNNATURAL. For example in the same chapter it was explained to me that sex of a man and a woman was NATURAL because it was the only way to conceive a child NATURALLY. Sex between same sexes (or animals) was considered UNNATURAL because the original “design” of intercourse was to reproduce offspring. Neither of them is wrong or right. NATURE does not judge what is right or wrong. Society does.

Fluffy · #5 01-07-2005, 05:49 PM

Although the original design of intercourse was to produce offspring, it is possible that later adaptions could have been added. For example homosexuality could be nature's way of controlling population levels.

The orginal purpose of artificial insemination was to allow the production of offspring via some other method than intercouse. Is this not just as natural as intercourse?

cardero · #6 01-07-2005, 06:10 PM

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Although the original design of intercourse was to produce offspring, it is possible that later adaptions could have been added. For example homosexuality could be nature's way of controlling population levels.

Or it could BE NATURE's way of UNNATURALLY controlling population levels. I still think homosexuality is a preference of the individual. Society has thoughtfully considered many ways of bypassing NATURE, for example using birth control devices. NATURE doesn’t take offense to this.

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Fluffy writes: The orginal purpose of artificial insemination was to allow the production of offspring via some other method than intercouse. Is this not just as natural as intercourse?

Sure, however the sperm fertilizes the egg is the NATURAL part. A man masturbating alone with no use of the seed is UNNATURAL. Both are not under the jurisdiction of right or wrong.

Sunstone · #7 01-07-2005, 07:56 PM

Merely because something is natural does not mean that it is right. Wars are natural to our species, but that doesn't make wars right. On the other hand, people often claim that something, such as homosexuality, is unnatural and therefore wrong. In my opinion, it helps in such instances to point out that homosexuality is natural and that the premiss on which they base their conclusion that it is wrong is unfounded.

cardero · #8 01-07-2005, 08:30 PM

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Merely because something is natural does not mean that it is right. Wars are natural to our species, but that doesn't make wars right. On the other hand, people often claim that something, such as homosexuality, is unnatural and therefore wrong. In my opinion, it helps in such instances to point out that homosexuality is natural and that the premiss on which they base their conclusion that it is wrong is unfounded.

Homosexuality can still be UNNATURAL and still not be considered right or wrong. It took me awhile to shed these worldly views as well. Humans have a tendency to want to place ideas into boxes that they can identify with. For example everything that is NATURAL has to go into the “right” box and everything that is UNNATURAL must belong in the “wrong” box. NATURE does not have such a system of sorting. NATURE has just been given functions to perform, like computer programs.

Though I had just touched on this subject with GOD I found it fascinating and it is still an area where I could use a lot more understanding. The basic of what is NATURAL and UNNATURAL I UNDERSTAND. That there is no wrong or right in what is NATURAL or UNNATURAL. That part I got and can deal with. The other part that I have to come to terms with is figuring out how things were designed to BE NATURAL and UNNATURAL in the first place.