Fate (moral, creation, moral, God, science)

[Lightkeeper]

Do you believe in fate?

[Fluffy]

Sometimes I want to and sometimes I dont.

On the one hand I feel that the idea of fate completly destroys free will and so makes any form of morality obsolete. On the other hand it does give purpose to everything... and this is something that I definitely want. I think though, until I can find a way of encompassing fate along with free will, fate will stay in the box of things that I disbelieve simply because Id rather not think about the consequences of it being real.

Can anyone think of a logical reasoning for fate being a likelyhood? I can only think that the idea of fate is spawned from humankind's inflated sense of self importance which does seem highly likely.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

Do you believe in fate?

I feel that my own will, the natural enviroment, the actions/dispositions of others, and the will of God all synergize to make things happen. Of these, I have partial control of one and only one.

So, that does tend to put some degree of fate into the equation.

[huajiro]

When something really good happens to me "yes"....when something really bad happens "no"

[Sunstone]

I don't know if the notion of fate makes any form of morality obsolete. I think it can be argued that we are fated to have some kind of moral feelings or intuition based on our genes, and possibly varying from person to person. If that's fate, then fate has a conscience.

[cardero]

Would that be considered the same as destiny?

[EightyOne]

I cannot believe that such a thing as "fate" or "destiny" could possibly exist. In order for "fate" to be orchestrated, I think it would be necessary that I higher being - "God" - be the one controlling each person's life. However, why would anyone want to create such elaborately complex, sentient creatures only to manipulate them like soulless puppets? The creation experiment would be much more interesting were "God" to take a hands-off approach and simply stand by as a passive observer.

[Lightkeeper]

Originally Posted by EightyOne

I cannot believe that such a thing as "fate" or "destiny" could possibly exist. In order for "fate" to be orchestrated, I think it would be necessary that I higher being - "God" - be the one controlling each person's life. However, why would anyone want to create such elaborately complex, sentient creatures only to manipulate them like soulless puppets? The creation experiment would be much more interesting were "God" to take a hands-off approach and simply stand by as a passive observer.

Unless you take the stance that the Divine is within us. Maybe an outer God is projection. If the Divine is within, there could be orchestration.

[cardero]

I know I do not believe in accidents or coincidences. I believe we have our own will to control our own fate by our choices and preferences. I also believe that we can utilize other people to accomplish this. I believe our life is planned by a series of guideposts and if we choose another path our lives branch out to other roads and other guideposts. It is always our plan, our power, our own personal destiny.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

If the Divine is within, there could be orchestration.

Or we could all be evil demons held in check by a Pixie-imposed illusion of humanity, or ...

"Divine" what? What we have, at best, is speculation about speculation.