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12-07-2004, 07:29 PM
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Logic vs. Reason
I have noticed what I perceive as a general confusion among some members of this forum between the concepts of logic and reason.
I would therefore like to submit that logic is a science/art that is subject to laws/rules,and reason is a mental function that is subject to accumulated knowledge/experience. I would further state that logic could be viewed as a ladder that reason climbs to a level of understanding. I would prefer to use scaffold instead if it were not for the implication of impermanence. Your thoughts? Faust 
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12-07-2004, 07:53 PM
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Good post, Faust. To be honest, I've never even thought about this before, but I can agree with what you have written here. I may ruminate on this baby a while, then come back with some input, but, at first blush, I do not disagree with what you have posited.
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#3
12-07-2004, 11:25 PM
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Logic is basically reasoning put into another term. Logic is used to reason correctly and validly. You cannot reason without logic, and you cannot use logic without reason. They cannot be separated.
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12-08-2004, 07:18 AM
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Logic is the formal study of inference.
Reasoning is the interplay of deduction, induction, and abduction.
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if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
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#5
12-08-2004, 10:29 AM
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So are you basically saying that logic is art and reason is painting? (just to put it into terms I can understand
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#6
12-08-2004, 10:48 AM
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Logic is an algebra, with formal rules. Reason is a little more freewheeling.
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#8
12-12-2004, 11:49 PM
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Quote:
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#9
12-13-2004, 12:28 AM
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feel free to substitute the word 'beauty' with any of the subjects('logic','reason',ect.) of your questions.
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#10
12-13-2004, 01:28 AM
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I tend to regard the two as working synergetically, and that either one without the other is dead.
For instance, this is a perfectly valid logical argument: All men have skin that is pink with purple polka-dots I am a man Therefore I have skin that is pink with purple polka-dots. The syllogism is perfectly logical. However, the minor premise is just plain wrong, so the whole system is suspect. It doesn't matter that it's logical. In other cases, a reasonable statement may not be logical or testable. For instance: It is good to treat other people with love. This is an axiom and cannot be established with logic. In fact, it can't be established at all. Still, it is a statement that is wholly compatible with reason. However, the two should always work together, lest we take up a belief system that results in bombing abortion clinics, flying into world trade centers, or killing more than 25% of a population in a nation to improve the lives of the others. Sadly, all those have happened.
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