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Old 09-12-2007, 08:24 PM
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If we all accepted the same premises as true then we would all HAVE to come to the same logical conclusions. Logic is merely the set of rules that gets us from premise to conclusion. That's all.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:25 PM
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Here is a list of fallacies from wikipedia.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Which fallacy is this (Comprehend's logical argument with variables):

If A then B
A
Therefore B

(hint - it isn't one, it's sound logic)
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No, the logic is fine, that's the point. Any logical argument is only as good as it's premises. That's where the argument always should lie.

If we could all get a good basic understanding of logic we could get to the real discussions - which premises we should start with.
The logic is faulty by the fact that the premesis are incorrect.

However, proving the logic behind the answer wrong does not prove the end conclusion wrong. That is argument from fallacy.

Look at Kepler's three physical laws governing celestial motion. All of the proofs that Kepler provided for his ideas were later disproven, but the end results are still used in today's physics.
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Yay, more wiki! (Note the bolded part)

False premise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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A false premise is an incorrect proposition that forms the basis of a logical syllogism. Since the premise (proposition, or assumption) is not correct, the conclusion drawn may be in error. It is important to note, however, that the validity (in the technical, rather than popular sense) of an argument is a function of its internal consistency, not the truth value of its premises.
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However, proving the logic behind the answer wrong does not prove the end conclusion wrong. That is argument from fallacy.
When did anyone say it did?
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Which fallacy is this (Comprehend's logical argument with variables):

If A then B
A
Therefore B

(hint - it isn't one, it's sound logic)
You are phrasing the logic behind the original question wrong.

If A, then B.
A is false.
B is false.

The third conclusion is incorrect, as I have stated before in a previous post; disproving A does not disprove B.

Argument from fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:31 PM
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When did anyone say it did?
Everyone that said that the first conclusion in the argument (everything is as it appears) is wrong, therefore the rest of the argument is wrong.

I am not arguing that the earth is flat, but that you cannot use logic to prove this statement.
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You are phrasing the logic behind the original question wrong.

If A, then B.
A is false.
B is false.

The third conclusion is incorrect, as I have stated before in a previous post; disproving A does not disprove B.

Argument from fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That wasn't Comprehend's argument though.
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