Alright Texas, Get With It! (abstinence, contraceptives, evolution, preach) - Page 2

The Seeker · #11 07-26-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rocka21

i agree, but i also think its a moral issue also. The " moral" part should be taught at home by the parents.

I agree with you here.

The Seeker · #12 07-26-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneCosta

I'll tell you what the school's job isn't: to keep children ignorant. For some reason parents think of ignorance as some usefool tool for their children, from science class [evolution] to sex ed [condoms] and health [eating right] and history [role of religion].

So true. I can't tell how irritated I get when people embrace ignorance as if its good for their children.

rocka21 · #13 07-26-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nihilo

Yep. Texas is extremely in favor of abstinence-only, and yet they have an extremely high birth rate. It ain't those god damned liberals problem. Abstinence-only is purely a religious movement and is not in favor of any other viewpoint. Sorry to burst your conservative bubble.

all this bubble bursting going on here! LOL

i agree , abstinence-only should not be the only thing taught in school.

but , i do have the " right" to teach whatever i want at the house.

Dr. Nosophoros · #14 07-26-2007, 10:41 AM

It reminds me of a scene in Donnie Darko, you know the scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PQ2FoTuvTE

UnTheist · #15 07-26-2007, 10:44 AM

I never said you didn't had the right. But don't expect abstinence-only to be at all effective. If kids want purely science based sexual education and want both sides equally taught, there is nothing wrong with schools teaching that. It will certainly be more informative and helpful for the children than "sex is bad! Don't do it!"

rocka21 · #16 07-26-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nihilo

I never said you didn't had the right. But don't expect abstinence-only to be at all effective. If kids want purely science based sexual education and want both sides equally taught, there is nothing wrong with schools teaching that.

who are you to tell me that abstinence-only will not be effective to my kids? is that a fact?

there is nothing wrong with teaching both sides at school, but for you to say abstinence does not work, tell it to my wife, who was raised in a christian home and was a virgin untill we were married. ( she was 28 at the time). So i guess it worked for someone.

UnTheist · #17 07-26-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rocka21

who are you to tell me that abstinence-only will not be effective to my kids? is that a fact?

there is nothing wrong with teaching both sides at school, but for you to say abstinence does not work, tell it to my wife, who was raised in a christian home and was a virgin untill we were married. ( she was 28 at the time). So i guess it worked for someone.

Oh, statistics show it DOESN'T work. (If your kids and wife benefited, good for them, though) As in it is not better than a sex-ed class teaching both sides. It is in fact worse. http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/new.../041607_jw.htm The experience of a few people does not confirm it's effectiveness on a large scale.

rocka21 · #18 07-26-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nihilo

Oh, statistics show it DOESN'T work. (If your kids and wife benefited, good for them, though) As in it is not better than a sex-ed class teaching both sides. It is in fact worse. http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/new.../041607_jw.htm The experience of a few people does not confirm it's effectiveness on a large scale.

yes, but i am not responsible for the " large scale" , just my family.

but i think we both agree. Sex-ed class ( in school ) needs to teach ALL options. WE DO AGREE!

Buttercup · #19 07-26-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rocka21

who are you to tell me that abstinence-only will not be effective to my kids? is that a fact?

I think that's what a majority of the parents in Texas think, unfortunately it isn't working.

UnTheist · #20 07-26-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buttercup

I think that's what a majority of the parents in Texas think, unfortunately it isn't working.

Apparently he doesn't care about any statistic, as long as his family is successful with abstinence-only. Before he said "it isn't the schools job", but every rational person who wants to educate their children with something other than a religious ideology would consider otherwise.