Was Constantine right? (moral, gospel, disciples, preach, church)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

So, are you saying the early Jewish-Christians were never called followers of "the Way"?

No. Certainly they are painted as such in Luke's construction. So?

Are you saying that the Essenes, etc., were never called followers of "the Way"? What of the Baptists and the Ebionites? What of the Zealots? Are you saying that you have reason to believe that the designation was specific rather than generic? Are you saying that you have any reliable knowledge of this movement/sect? Are you saying that you have any reason to accept the Damascus narrative? Are you saying that you have reason to take Luke as accurate history rather than story?

Ronald is simply pretending to know what he doesn't know, pedantically pawning off Luke as history with zero corroboration.

[harold e. rice]

Originally Posted by LilChrist

You know, just for the heck of it, I'll state something on the first subject, lol. Why, I have no idea. If Christianity is forced as a law, people will hate it, never truly accepting it as their personal faith. It's like God forcing us to love Him. We wouldn't really be loving Him for who He is. We'd be loving Him for no perpose, only because He makes us. Love--or Christianity--can not truly be forced.

Emperor Constantine declared that any individual found worshipping God on Saturday (the true Sabbath) would be killed or thrown in Jail. This was after he changed the Sabbath to Sunday. In the early periods of Roman Christianity Jews as well as Gentiles was killed or beheaded for not converting to Christianity.
It you do a simply search you will find out that for many years God and Christianity was indeed forced on individuals under the penalty of death.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by harold e. rice

Emperor Constantine declared that any individual found worshipping God on Saturday (the true Sabbath) would be killed or thrown in Jail. This was after he changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

It was anti-Judaic Christians, not Constantine, who "changed the Sabbath to Sunday" or, more correctly, substituted the Lord's day for Shabbat.

[Ceridwen018]

The sabbath being changed from Sat. to Sun. is the least of the problems here when we're talking about changes made to Christianity over time, I think.

[Mr Spinkles]

"Are you saying that you have reason to take Luke as accurate history rather than story?"

I thought some of it was accurate, but I guess I was wrong.

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

It was anti-Judaic Christians, not Constantine, who "changed the Sabbath to Sunday" or, more correctly, substituted the Lord's day for Shabbat.

Mountains of writings attest to the truth of both claims, Constantine and the Christians(anti-semitic).

Just one missing fact, God is silent on Sunday worship!

......No Sabbath cancellation notice!

And Yeshua says, Mt 4:4 "Man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Amein!

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Mountains of writings attest to the truth of both claims, Constantine and the Christians(anti-semitic).

Then reference some. The substitution of Sunday for Saturday is a well established component of the "replacement theology", e.g.,

Ignatius 110 A.D. wrote in his epistle to the Magnesians 9…" If they who were concerned in old things, arrived at a newness of hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living according to the Lord’s day, by which our life sprung from him and by his death (whom certain persons deny)…we have been made his disciples, let us live according to Christianity."

Barnabas 120A.D. "Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day, also, on which Jesus rose again from the dead"

Justin Martyr 140 A.D. "Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness, made the world; and Jesus Christ our savior , on the same day rose from the dead."

Didache 80-90 A.D. "And on the day of our lords resurrection, which is the Lord’s day meet more diligently."

The shift to Sunday preceeded Constantine by at least two centuries.

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Mountains of writings attest to the truth of both claims, Constantine and the Christians(anti-semitic).

Just one missing fact, God is silent on Sunday worship!

......No Sabbath cancellation notice!

And Yeshua says, Mt 4:4 "Man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Amein!

No arguement, Deut. 32:8. My statement, "God didn't approve."
Man thinks to change times and the law. No one who (has not) the authority to change it (can on the calendar), but Gods Time and Law is still in effect till he changes it.
I will keep His Sabbath, till He says different. Each of you are free to do exactly what you wish. I will tell you what I believe, and why, you choose how you respond, I've done my duty. >>>No you must, from me!<<<