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Old 11-08-2004, 05:47 PM
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I'm having a hard time putting this together in my mind. I have talked to a few pro life supporters and find a flaw in their arguement, well a flaw in my opinion.

If you are pro life then how can you also be pro-birth control. You know what I mean? When sperm enters the body the purpose of that sperm , I will call it "a potential baby" is to fertilize the egg and create offspring.

But if you use birth control that sperm can no longer fertilize that egg, you are taking away from the "natural" purpose of the sperm. The sperm is living is it not? It's basically a pre-emmenent(sp?) strike of the future potential of that life.

I know I'm just rambling but I just get confused how you can argue that even a baby at 1 months old has anything over a sperm traveling down the tube to the egg.

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I dunno... I do know that some are even against birth control. Now that I really don't understand. But hey, I ain't gotta worry about that.
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My mom needs to use birth-control because she has endomitriosos (I think I spelt that right...). If she doesn't use it, then well, during that time of the month, she is in excrutiating pain. So birth control can be used for medical purposes as well as not getting pregenant.
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Well, the way I see it, when a sperm joins with an egg and forms an embryo, and then attaches to the lining of the uterus and begins to divide, it has it's own unique and individual DNA. Therefore, by having an abortion you would be destroying something which was not part of you (a baby).

However, by using birth control, you prevent conception and therefore creation of that DNA. When you use birth control you aren't destroying or killing anything, you're just preventing that sperm from getting to the egg.
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Rex, I don't think sperm is life until it fertilizes an egg. After conception though, your body creates a cellular makeup and growth and development begins. Really, I think it all comes down to opinion. Some say life starts right at conception, some say life starts when you're born
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I know I know, but I'm trying to look at this from a strictly pro-life view. Even destroying a "potential life" should be on that agenda, should it not?
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If you are pro life then how can you also be pro-birth control.
Just to clarify the difference between the two issues:

To be pro life is to support the view that no child should be murdered .

The teaching against birth control has to do with the dignity of the marital sex act where the intent of birth control is to remove (or seriously hinder) the possibility of procreation... and is thus sinful (in my humble opinion folks).
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Just to clarify the difference between the two issues:

To be pro life is to support the view that no child should be murdered .

The teaching against birth control has to do with the dignity of the marital sex act where the intent of birth control is to remove (or seriously hinder) the possibility of procreation... and is thus sinful (in my humble opinion folks).
I would still think if your pro life you have to be pro anti-birth control. How can you not murder a child and still stop that child from happening.

I guess I'm the only one with this weird thought.. hehe
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But you see Rex, you aren't 'destroying' potenital life by using birth control, because potential life hasn't formed yet. Every egg in a woman's body and every sperm in a man's body can be considered potential life in and of themselves. Obviously, it's impossible to put them all to use.

Preventing pregnancy is no different than any other kind of prevention. Are you going to let kids play in the street, because to prevent them would mean interfering with 'fate' or something like that? That's a bad analogy, but the point is that we have a hand in what happens in our lives, and it is our job to be responsible and plan things. Again, 'life' does not begin until the egg and sperm unite. Before that, there is no new DNA, and therefore no new lifeform. The whole platform of pro-life people, is that they are against the termination of unique human life. Therefore, by preventing conception, you are preventing unique DNA of a new human being from forming, an are therefore within grounds of the pro-life philosophy.
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Also be cognizent of the fact that many birth control devices including pills and IUDs function at least in part by making it impossible for a fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. That is no different from termination of the life at any other phase in its development. On top of that, sex is an act created by god for married couples to procreate and express their love. It is a way of saying that you love someone so much you are willing to accept all of the consequences. Any deviation from that purpose is sinful.
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