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#1
10-30-2004, 07:57 AM
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Is the truth beyond words?
In our deepest moments, we say the most inadequate things
-- Edna O'brien Is it true that somethings are beyond the power of words to express? Or do words more or less do an adequate job communicating even the most profound truths?
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Then I came back from where I'd been. My room, it looked the same - but there was nothing left between The Nameless and the name. - Leonard Cohen. 
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10-30-2004, 09:03 AM
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I think about nine times out of ten, that statement rings true. Sometimes on the tenth one people can say something meaningful, but usually there really aren't any words to explain what we feel.
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The cake is a lie.
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10-30-2004, 09:36 AM
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This is the biggest idea of zen buddhism, and taoism (since zen came from taoism). It is the idea of the koans, or riddles used to break the mind of boundaries. These boundaries are bounded by words. If one understands without words, than one understands completely. Without bias, or perception. Without finite words, all is possible.
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I go forth with bare feet, and a simple spirit. Lord have mercy on me. beati pauperes spiritu † 
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10-30-2004, 09:45 AM
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I'm with Master Vigil on this one. Some things are best understood when we don't try to understand them with words.
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If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -forever.-GEORGE ORWELL
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10-30-2004, 09:53 AM
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#6
10-30-2004, 10:27 AM
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Words dilute truth.
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#7
10-31-2004, 06:58 PM
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Levitate a kumquat.
I meant all spiritual understanding is possible by way of enlightenment. Perhaps after enlightenment occurs, levitating a kumquat becomes a rediculously stupid notion. And the thought of it should not even exist within our heads.
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I go forth with bare feet, and a simple spirit. Lord have mercy on me. beati pauperes spiritu †
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#8
10-31-2004, 09:14 PM
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Without words - doesn't truth become entirely subjective? Without the words - universal truth is impossible.
-pah-
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#9
10-31-2004, 09:56 PM
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"Without words - doesn't truth become entirely subjective? Without the words - universal truth is impossible."
Well, I'm not sure about that. If you witnessed the most beautiful sunset you have ever seen, could you put it into words so that another would be able experience it as completely as you did? No of course not, it is words that bind us. Your experience did not include words, which makes it subjective. What you see, is not what others see. Truth is also this way. It is words that binds truth. Without words, universal truth is known.
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I go forth with bare feet, and a simple spirit. Lord have mercy on me. beati pauperes spiritu †
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11-01-2004, 03:15 AM
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