Is it okay to kill a human? (ritual, moral, virgin)

[Runlikethewind]

Originally Posted by Victor

That's right. The details and situation surrounding it can make the world of difference. That is why we are called to constantly form our conscious. To be ready to make an informed and just decision, if the time comes.

Indeed.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Murder is a preplanned act to end someones life, being the aggressor without provocation.

Actually, what you describe here is premeditated murder.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Actually, what you describe here is premeditated murder.

You are again taking the legal definition. The Reverand was simply taking a different definition.

[Reverend Rick]

I could care less about man's laws. I answer to a higher authority. Funny thing, I never run a foul with law enforcement.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

You are again taking the legal definition. The Reverand was simply taking a different definition.

Then perhaps you and the Reverend can present these non-legalese definitions for me.
Since I am unable to find one.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

I could care less about man's laws. I answer to a higher authority. Funny thing, I never run a foul with law enforcement.

And what is exactly is your point?

Seems to me that you are in fact concerned with mans laws when it comes to using the word marriage.
However, that is for another thread.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Then perhaps you and the Reverend can present these non-legalese definitions for me.

He just did. It ran something like this: "Murder is killing somebody on purpose and planning it before hand."

Since I am unable to find one.

If you can't find it, it's in post #47

[lombas]

The libertarians among you might know who professor Van Dun is. Well, he gives some lectures to the libertarian organization I'm affiliated with these days, and in a previous lecture he discussed the whole "person" issue. I totally support what he said. (Note: he never gave a clear answer on a question I asked him about abortion other than that it's a case to case issue).

Some things are based on contracts. Anyone who can reason, is a person. Now, since it's just us humans who can reason, only humans can be persons. To be able to reason, is to enter a discussion with rational arguments and defend your existence (for example).

It is true that unborn babies are not persons that way. But neither are babies that have just been born, or people who sleep. For that, he argued, there exists some implicit contract, which says that we are not supposed to ignore the "rights" (let's leave the discussion about what rights are for another topic) of human beings who are capable of reaching the status of reasoning - or else (which seems utilitarian) we could get killed in our sleep as well.

That way, it is never okay to kill a person or a human being.

Just my two cents here.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

He just did. It ran something like this: "Murder is killing somebody on purpose and planning it before hand."


If you can't find it, it's in post #47

i see.

Well you are wrong, because murder is any killing I happen to not like or that I happen to disagree with.

Any other words you care to redefine?

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Well you are wrong, because murder is any killing I happen to not like or that I happen to disagree with.

That's rich.