Revenge (mystic, evolution, divorce, faith, verse)

[Ozzie]

I don't think revenge solves anything. Rather I think it harms the avenger. But it seems to be a pretty deep-seated human need. Does this make it right, even if it doesn't solve anything?

[Peace]

Originally Posted by Ozzie

I don't think revenge solves anything. Rather I think it harms the avenger. But it seems to be a pretty deep-seated human need. Does this make it right, even if it doesn't solve anything?

When I read your post I thought of the following verse of the Quran.

"The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (the evil) with one which is better (i.e. Allah orders the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly) then verily he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend". (Quran, 41:34)

Peace

[mingmty]

I think revenge isn't a human need just like mindless shopping isn't a human need, both are artificial needs created by unpeaceful minds. Human needs are quite different and close to those of other animals.

Our society has become a good source of confusion and corruption of the mind, now days people give their lives to empty selfish purposes. Ask to yourself what would you like to remember the very last days of your life? What have you seen your relatives remember when are close to the end? I'm sure they don't remember a masterful revenge, at least not without regret, but surely they do remember the people they love and the good deeds they did.

At the very end, nothing else matters.

[Kungfuzed]

I think revenge has it's place in evolution. There hasn't always been a govornment to protect us and give us justice. Revenge makes for a good deterrent. If I were a cave man and someone stole my rack of mammoth ribs that I had over the campfire and I went over to his cave and clubbed him within an inch of his life he might think twice before stealing my meat again. Of course, he might try to get revenge on me for beating him and then it just comes down to survival of the fittest.

[MysticSang'ha]

The urge for revenge is a delusion. To enact or desire revenge is a power-trip fueled by anger, and then deluded by it as the definition of "justice."



Peace,
Mystic

[michel]

Originally Posted by MysticSang'ha

The urge for revenge is a delusion. To enact or desire revenge is a power-trip fueled by anger, and then deluded by it as the definition of "justice."



Peace,
Mystic

Not only that, but revenge comes from resentment; resentment shows an inability to "let go"; it is like a cancer; it "eats" into the soul.............

[Scarlett Wampus]

Kungfuzed the trouble with speculation about traits that may or may not have given some hypothetical predecessor a better chance of survival is it can give said traits an artificial naturalness divorced from the realities of what and how we really are.

Re: MysticSangha's comments, I think a sense of justice has to be carefully examined since so much prejudice and ignorance gets caught up in it. Rage, power-games and pride typically make a mess of everything and are typically involved with revenge yet under the banner the justice revenge can appear reasonable and even necessary.

With the 'justification' of revenge much can come down to whether your values mirror in some way those of Socrates when he said, "one ought not return injustice for injustice or do ill to anyone, no matter what one may suffer at their hands." It can be argued about in a purely intellectual & systematic sense or, when dealing with rage, power-games and pride as immediate & personal, it can also be a much more meaningful struggle of the heart.

If there is a human need to exact revenge its possible other greater needs can subdue the need revenge and serve as all better too. Personally I don't think revenge solves anything and I don't feel that revenge is true to the heart either.

[Dr. Nosophoros]

Revenge gives one more satisfaction than turning the other cheek and women don't want a wimp for a boyfriend- figure it out for yourself. 2+2= what?

[Quagmire]

I think a desire for revenge just indicates a mindset fixated on the negative;

Seen on a bumper sticker---"If you want to get even with someone, start with the people who've been kind to you".