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Should we always prefer intersubjectively verifiable truths to other truths?

(Note: the term "insubjectively verifiable truth" is just shorthand for saying "a truth that can be verified by more than one person")

Given that science is based on intersubjectively verifiable truths, and that science has been immensely sucessful not only in creating consensus between people as to what is true, but also in creating operational truths, should we always seek to emulate science in prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to truths that are not intersubjectively verifiable?

Would prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to any other truths affect our religious beliefs? If so, how?

If a truth is not intersubjectively verifiable, is there any grounds for ruling out that it could be delusional?
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Old 01-25-2007, 02:42 PM
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Should we always prefer intersubjectively verifiable truths to other truths?

(Note: the term "insubjectively verifiable truth" is just shorthand for saying "a truth that can be verified by more than one person")

Given that science is based on intersubjectively verifiable truths, and that science has been immensely sucessful not only in creating consensus between people as to what is true, but also in creating operational truths, should we always seek to emulate science in prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to truths that are not intersubjectively verifiable?

Would prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to any other truths affect our religious beliefs? If so, how?

If a truth is not intersubjectively verifiable, is there any grounds for ruling out that it could be delusional?
When it comes to society and science. we have to. That is the only logical way to determine anything and build upon it. coincidentally, this is how we find crazy people, When one person see's or believes things that nobody else does, we throw them in the loony bin.

Truth is truth and I prefer it no matter how I come to it. Honestly, If God talked to me and nobody else, say like Abraham, what would I do? I would listen. I wouldn't care if nobody else heard him.
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Should we always prefer intersubjectively verifiable truths to other truths?

(Note: the term "insubjectively verifiable truth" is just shorthand for saying "a truth that can be verified by more than one person")

Given that science is based on intersubjectively verifiable truths, and that science has been immensely sucessful not only in creating consensus between people as to what is true, but also in creating operational truths, should we always seek to emulate science in prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to truths that are not intersubjectively verifiable?

Would prefering intersubjectively verifiable truths to any other truths affect our religious beliefs? If so, how?

If a truth is not intersubjectively verifiable, is there any grounds for ruling out that it could be delusional?
Such truths are not intersubjectively verifiable at all. They are based on external objective criteria and consensus is also objective. Subjective states are not proven by external criteria. Without identifying with the same religion because they attend the same church, how would two Christians know they worship the same God?
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Such truths are not intersubjectively verifiable at all. They are based on external objective criteria and consensus is also objective. Subjective states are not proven by external criteria. Without identifying with the same religion because they attend the same church, how would two Christians know they worship the same God?
which truths would you say are "based on external objective criteria"?
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which truths would you say are "based on external objective criteria"?
Verifiable truths that can be agreed upon.
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Such truths are not intersubjectively verifiable at all. They are based on external objective criteria and consensus is also objective. Subjective states are not proven by external criteria. Without identifying with the same religion because they attend the same church, how would two Christians know they worship the same God?
As a practical matter, how is it possible to base truths "on external objective criteria" if not through intersubjective verification?
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As a practical matter, how is it possible to base truths "on external objective criteria" if not through intersubjective verification?
Because objectivity doesn't happen "out there." It's something we do.
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