Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Everything But the Kitchen Sink / General Debates
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-03-2006, 09:06 PM
Jaymes's Avatar
Jaymes Offline
Religion: Cake
Title:The cake is a lie
Kindness Award:  - Issue reason: This Kindness award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Inside cake
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,756
Frubals: 340945
Jaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfast
Jaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfastJaymes eats frubals for breakfast
Default How do you define gender?

To lessen confusion here and so we can get what everyone's talking about, I'd like to ask that you guys use "man" and "woman" to refer to gender roles and "male" and "female" to refer to sex.

What is it that makes someone a man? A woman? Neither? Both?

Is it chromosomes? What happens when you get XXY? XXX? XYY? XO? Androgen insensitivity?

Is it society? What happens when someone doesn't match society's view of what their gender should be?

Is it genetalia? What happens when you get a female with a large labia, or a male with a very small penis?

If you don't feel like answering all those questions: How do you define gender and why?
__________________
The cake is a lie.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-03-2006, 09:22 PM
jamaesi's Avatar
jamaesi Offline
Religion: Mu'min
Title:Sunni-Side Up
Tolerance Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Gender: Gender-Neutral
Posts: 4,438
Frubals: 634363
jamaesi thinks frubals grow on trees
jamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on trees
jamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on treesjamaesi thinks frubals grow on trees
Default

Quote:
If you don't feel like answering all those questions: How do you define gender and why?
I don't define gender for anyone but myself. Whatever gender someone prefers to be regarded as, no matter their phsyical sex, is fine by me.
__________________
I love God: I have no time left
In which to hate the devil.


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Fluffy's Avatar
Fluffy Offline
Religion: Transhumanism
Title:A fool
Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: The Courtesy award has been granted to you by the awards committee and is well deserved. Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason: This Scolarship award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Article Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,564
Frubals: 1133270
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Default

In my own personal experience I have never knowingly felt like a man or a woman. That is not to say that I do not feel like either one of them, just that I would not know what such a sensation felt like so I cannot accurately tell whether I have experienced such a thing. So when a person tells me that they feel like a woman or a man I have no idea what they mean because I have no identifiable reference point with which I might use to try and sympathise with their experience.

I say that I am a man because I have a penis. I am unsure what my chromosomes are but assumedly they are XY... however my gender identification is largely based off of my genitals since I have never seen my chromosomes.

If there are seperate roles for men and women then I consider them to be the product of society and, along with most things I lump into that category, heed them little.

What further compounds this issue for me is that I have never had much need to differentiate between the sexes in what I would consider a meaningful way. For example, I don't feel attracted to somebody based on their sex nor do I find that I get on with one sex more than the other so a person's gender has generally been something I don't think about till it is mentioned to me directly.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-03-2006, 10:02 PM
standing_alone Offline
Title:Uber Member
Tolerance Award:  - Issue reason: This award had been given to you by your peers and is well deserved Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 6,389
Frubals: 842905
standing_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
standing_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
standing_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islandsstanding_alone has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Default

The way I see it is that sex is bioligical sex or genetalia one is born with and gender is the sex a person identifies with.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Fluffy's Avatar
Fluffy Offline
Religion: Transhumanism
Title:A fool
Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: The Courtesy award has been granted to you by the awards committee and is well deserved. Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason: This Scolarship award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Article Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,564
Frubals: 1133270
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Fluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal WhoreFluffy is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
The way I see it is that sex is bioligical sex or genetalia one is born with and gender is the sex a person identifies with.
If that is the case then I would say I have no gender and that my sex is male. I have never differentiated between the two before except when studying linguistics.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-03-2006, 10:32 PM
YamiB.'s Avatar
YamiB. Offline
Religion: Pagan?
Title:Sophmore Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NJ, US
Gender: Male
Posts: 313
Frubals: 10989
YamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to allYamiB. is a name known to all
Default

Gender is what society attaches to a person's sex. That person's sex is shown by which bits they have. These are a least what I learned to be the diffrence between the two words.


As to what it actually is that seperates the genders, it would be hard to specify. It really would differ from society to society and you would need to look across the varying levels of traditional and more modern views.
__________________
There is no sense in being pessimistic. It would not work anyway. -Anon
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-03-2006, 10:59 PM
Shadow Wolf's Avatar
Shadow Wolf Offline
Religion: LHP
Title:Psychosocial
Article Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Indiana
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,127
Frubals: 627342
Shadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on trees
Shadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on trees
Shadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on treesShadow Wolf thinks frubals grow on trees
Default

I agree with YamiB's definition to an exent. We have gender, which is how society thinks men and women should act and behave. Sex, IMO, is either biologically determined by genetals, or which ever one that person identifies with.
__________________
My Dragon Scroll:
http://dragcave.net/user/Warhart

I asked the question "What Would Satan Do?" In when I pondered this question, I was able to answer on the most important decisions of my life.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-03-2006, 11:06 PM
gnomon's Avatar
gnomon Offline
Religion: No
Title:Atheist
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 3,471
Frubals: 1515610
gnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whore
gnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whore
gnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whoregnomon is a Frubal Whore
Default

I would agree with the common sentiment here because I think it is the scientifically valid expression.

Gender is a defined role applied to an individual defined by a society based on that persons sex. Man and woman are the terms to designate basic gender differences.

Sex is dependant on two basic distinctions, one sex which produces eggs and has a womb and the other which produces sperm.

Of course, not every individual will strictly fall into a defined gender role or even a sexual designation. There are a variety of biological reasons for this and I can only recommend checking out a few websites on intersexed individual, kleinfelters syndrome, mosaic genetics, etc.

As far as proper terms I never truly know and just address an individual how they wish to be addressed.
__________________
Politeness is wasted on the dishonest.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-04-2006, 12:09 AM
Tigress's Avatar
Tigress Offline
Religion: RSOF/UU
Title:Working-Class W*nch.
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,573
Frubals: 134300
Tigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond repute
Tigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond reputeTigress has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I don't, if I can help it. It's nothing more than a false social construct.
__________________
"If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliché that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem. Love and peace are eternal." - John Lennon
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-04-2006, 12:32 AM
TashaN's Avatar
TashaN Offline
Religion: Islam
Title:Anti-Zionist
Ambassador Award: Award designated for members who show great knowledge of their religion. - Issue reason: This ambassador award has been given to you by the award committee and is well deserved. Kindness Award:  - Issue reason: The Kindness award has been granted to you by the award committee and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Saudi Arabia
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,254
Frubals: 1976258
TashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal Whore
TashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal WhoreTashaN is a Frubal Whore
TashaN is a Frubal Whore