What is understanding? (experience, dogma, religion, science, Roman)

[coberst]

What is understanding?


I have for some time been interested in trying to understand what ‘understand’ means. I have reached the conclusion that ‘curiosity then caring’ is the first steps toward understanding. Without curiosity we care for nothing. Once curiosity is in place then caring becomes necessary for understanding.

Our first experience with ‘understanding’ may be our first friendship. I think that this first friendship may be an example of what Carl Sagan meant by “Understanding is a kind of ecstasy”.

I also think that the boy who falls in love with automobiles and learns everything he can about repairing the junk car he bought has discovered ‘understanding’.

I suspect many people go their complete life and never have an intellectual experience that culminates in the “ecstasy of understanding”. How can this be true? I think that our educational system is designed primarily for filling heads with knowledge and hasn’t time to waste on ‘understanding’.

Understanding must come in the adult years if it is to ever come to many of us. I think that it is very important for an adult to find something intellectual that will excite his or her curiosity and concern sufficiently so as to motivate the effort necessary to understand.

We have little comprehension of ‘understanding’ because our schooling has taught us only to know. Understanding is a step beyond knowing and our society which values production and consumption has little use for understanding. Those who make public policy do not want a population that cares about understanding. The bull that understands will hook at the Matador rather than the cape.

Understanding is generally not valuable in our society and so we have little comprehension of what it is. However there seems to be one application for understanding. I have on several occasions heard a professor say that “you never really understand a subject until you try to teach it”. Here is one occasion that people can begin to comprehend the meaning of the concept. I suspect we all have a sense of what the professor is saying. So here is a ‘use’ for understanding and in this example we who only value that which is ‘useful’ can begin to gain a comprehension of the concept.

We imply that reason can be depended upon as a guide but we do not help the individual understand what reason is. The problem is that our schools and colleges are only now beginning to teach CT (Critical Thinking), which is the art and science of how to think. We adults were never taught how to think we were only taught what to think. If we do not learn how to think and how to help others learn how to think then we are giving only empty words. We are as ignorant of what reason is as those we wish to give up dogma for reason. Until we learn the art and science of reason we cannot help others to learn how to think.

Search for meaning through self-actuated study can provide a purpose similar to the purpose believers find in religion. Understanding resulting from study, leading to meaning and purpose, is perhaps a legitimate foil to dogma.

[michel]

I think that "understanding" is much more aesthetic than that; understanding (to me) can only ever be accomplished by using empathy.

I will never 'understand' how a man with one leg feels; but I can understand someone who wears glasses.

Taking this argument down to the 'car' example you gave, I think the same applies; however often I try to explain to my wife how a clutch of a manual car works, she can't understand it. So she burn clutches.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by coberst

I have reached the conclusion that ‘curiosity then caring’ is the first steps toward understanding.

Is that your own definition? I loved it! I would never have thought to word it like that, but I think that is a perfect definition.

[Random]

Comprehension. Does it have to be any more complicated than that? Another way to view it would be that understanding is a requisite for right actions and speech. If you don't know what you're doing/saying, do you do it without cause or reason? You might, but bad things can happen on that course...

[coberst]

Originally Posted by michel

I think that "understanding" is much more aesthetic than that; understanding (to me) can only ever be accomplished by using empathy.

I will never 'understand' how a man with one leg feels; but I can understand someone who wears glasses.

Taking this argument down to the 'car' example you gave, I think the same applies; however often I try to explain to my wife how a clutch of a manual car works, she can't understand it. So she burn clutches.

I think this quote is a good example


Bloch observed "the artist chooses the media and the goal of every artist is to become fluent enough with the media to transcend it. At some point you pass from playing the piano to playing music."

[coberst]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Is that your own definition? I loved it! I would never have thought to word it like that, but I think that is a perfect definition.

Yes, this came from my own experience. I have been a self-actualizing self-learner for 25 years and this is something I discovered. However, it is also possibly something that I read. I read a lot of stuff and I know that sometimes I absorb from my reading something that I am not conscious of.

I also discovered that only in pursuing disinterested knowledge will one find understanding, except on rare occassions. This quote resontes for me.


Bloch observed "the artist chooses the media and the goal of every artist is to become fluent enough with the media to transcend it. At some point you pass from playing the piano to playing music."

[coberst]

Originally Posted by Godlike

Comprehension. Does it have to be any more complicated than that? Another way to view it would be that understanding is a requisite for right actions and speech. If you don't know what you're doing/saying, do you do it without cause or reason? You might, but bad things can happen on that course...

I think that comprehension can be usefully thought of as a pyramid with awareness at the base followed by consciousness (awareness plus attention) then knowledge with understanding at the pinnacle.