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Old 09-03-2006, 07:50 PM
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Recently, I was watching a clip on Google Video. The show was apart of the Penn and Teller series. The purpose of this show is to "debunk" various theories and topics.

One that I recently saw that I thought would be a good debate topic is their episode on the Bible and when taken literally, is inaccurate.

In the episode they discuss the different merits of the details presented in the Bible including the first 6 days, Noah's Ark, and more.

I have provided a link below that leads straight to the clip itself. The clip is about 30 minutes long but is worth the watch in my opinion.

They do use profanity and are of course biased towards debunking the Bible as factual, but they do present some very valid points and is quite humorous. And don't worry, they give both sides of the argument.

MOD ADVIOSRY POST: The Penn and Teller clip contains profanity and has some strong opinions on the accuracy of the Torah and NT. Please use descrection when deciding to view this clip and please understand if you are offended or upset by someone stating the Bible is blantantly inaccurate and mis-represented I would advise you do not view the clip.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...enn+and+teller
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Old 09-04-2006, 01:33 AM
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BS is my favorite show by a good stretch. I agreed with much of what they say. I say any religious text taken literally is usually BS. It would be downright silly if I took the eddas for truth rather than taking them as lessons and cool stories.
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Penn was very passionate and fiery about this topic, you can tell this was a subject he had wanted to do for a long time. I have never watched the show and this was a good introduction to the series. This episode should be shown in its entirety to churches and Sunday School classes around the world.
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The bs is taking the Bible literally.
It was never the intent of the writers that it should be.
The Bible is never BS. there are things to learn in all of it.
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The bs is taking the Bible literally.
It was never the intent of the writers that it should be.
How do you come to know the intent of the authors?
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The bs is taking the Bible literally.
It was never the intent of the writers that it should be.
The Bible is never BS. there are things to learn in all of it.
I do not think I would go as far as to say it was BS either but I would also encourage that there is something to learn from almost every book that was ever written.
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How do you come to know the intent of the authors?
It would have been unusual for the times.
People then had no trouble understanding which stories were fact and which were illustrative. We have lost that ability.
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The bs is taking the Bible literally.
It was never the intent of the writers that it should be.
The Bible is never BS. there are things to learn in all of it.
But there are some who take the bible literally, are there not ?
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