The Sanctity of life, monetary value of life, pets and animal relationships? (moral, punishment)

[WARTORIOUS]

The Sanctity of life, monetary value of life, pets and animal relationships?

It seems to me the importance of different life is not as black and white as it first appears and infact modern morality regarding this is highly basted upon emotions. A huge amount of animals, some barley a few months old are slaughtered for food, for money, undersea habitats are fished to extinction with wide net fishing, huge amounts of habitats are destroyed and not given a second thought about. On this level a life is worth little or nothing, animals that are slaughtered for food don’t even get recognised as things that were once alive. And a third of all this food will get wasted!

If we had to kill a goat or a chicken every time you wanted to eat one I don’t think, in the UK anyway many people would kill them to eat them. People say they would never kill or hurt an animal yet munch happily on a burger, not even recognising the animal died for you to eat it. I think its bad faith to get someone to kill it for you.

Secondly pets get treated almost as family members, yet creatures with far greater intelligence than a cat or a dog still matter hardly. I don’t think some people realise how alike we are to some other creatures, how they feel very similar emotions and feelings.

We prize some human life above all other life, history has show millions of people are worth sacrificing in war over politics, that criminals lives don’t matter as much, even being killed for what they have done, that in some cases money is more important than life, and peoples lives. So many people hate other people, and disvalue there lives. The value of life is not something that’s fixed, I would argue its mealy opinion

I think we, the human race needs to take a good long look at itself and revaluate our behaviour.

[kevmicsmi]

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

The Sanctity of life, monetary value of life, pets and animal relationships?

It seems to me the importance of different life is not as black and white as it first appears and infact modern morality regarding this is highly basted upon emotions. A huge amount of animals, some barley a few months old are slaughtered for food, for money, undersea habitats are fished to extinction with wide net fishing, huge amounts of habitats are destroyed and not given a second thought about. On this level a life is worth little or nothing, animals that are slaughtered for food don’t even get recognised as things that were once alive. And a third of all this food will get wasted!

If we had to kill a goat or a chicken every time you wanted to eat one I don’t think, in the UK anyway many people would kill them to eat them. People say they would never kill or hurt an animal yet munch happily on a burger, not even recognising the animal died for you to eat it. I think its bad faith to get someone to kill it for you.

Secondly pets get treated almost as family members, yet creatures with far greater intelligence than a cat or a dog still matter hardly. I don’t think some people realise how alike we are to some other creatures, how they feel very similar emotions and feelings.

We prize some human life above all other life, history has show millions of people are worth sacrificing in war over politics, that criminals lives don’t matter as much, even being killed for what they have done, that in some cases money is more important than life, and peoples lives. So many people hate other people, and disvalue there lives. The value of life is not something that’s fixed, I would argue its mealy opinion

I think we, the human race needs to take a good long look at itself and revaluate our behaviour.

What is your opinion on the value of human life? Is killing a human always wrong? Should society do whatever necessary to protect human life at any cost?

[WARTORIOUS]

No other life on this planet is worth as much as the life of a human being. That statement is either true or false.

You say that but the US has the death penalty, if human life is so valuable why end it in such a way? The only resign you would put a person to death is to save money from locking them up for the rest of there life. People kill others all the time, some people kill because of race or beliefs, maybe you hate terrorists or traitors or Jews, governments kill in wars all the time, two sides sending millions of men to there deaths in war. Poor black people in the US in new oriels recently reseeded very little help, the government reportedly helped the rich before the poor ghetto’s. army in Iraq reportedly exterminating house after house, like in Vietnam, exterminating everybody they could, the Chinese sending unbelievable amounts of troops in Vietnam. attomic wepons are aimed at every city, ready to kill billions,

Your fooling yourself if you think a human life is of equal value, 1 in 8 kids is born into working there entire life, poor parts of Africa kids born don’t stand a chance with the poor food and water. Lives are worth little if nothing here. what about all the homeless on the streets, how much is there life valued?

I'd wipe out every other species on this planet to protect humanity if it came to that.

We could not live without the other species, we wouldn’t stand any chance, everything we eat was once alive.

Originally Posted by Thegathering

As far as our similarities of intelligence and emotions... you're kidding yourself if you think any animal has any thoughts outside of survival.

What so you mean by survival? How are we not just surviving?

Abstract thinking is a key point that creates a ravine between man and beast.

Some creatures are extremely creative and enervative, birds with brains the size of peanuts who use rocks to smash open shellfish, yes its trying to survive, aren’t we all? Some species of monkeys are adapting to life with humans showing all kinds of adaptive behaviour, these creatures seem self aware, and aware of there family and friends, enemies, and have a unique relationship with all members. Hunters like wolves show teamwork far beyond human capabilities, communicating silently hunting in many different way’s, there are countless other examples of creative thinking in the animal world. And art? Is a birds nest not art? An expression og how it feels, creatures change there homes to how they like them, they sing and dance and chirp, not art? Well as far as they are concerned it is. Animals do dream, that’s a provable fact.

[Bouncing Ball]

Are you quoting from other threads or so?

anyway:

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

If we had to kill a goat or a chicken every time you wanted to eat one I don’t think, in the UK anyway many people would kill them to eat them. People say they would never kill or hurt an animal yet munch happily on a burger, not even recognising the animal died for you to eat it. I think its bad faith to get someone to kill it for you.

The best thing to see if this is true is looking at tribes who don't have a supermarket, butcher or burgerking. You will soon wenough notice that they will happilly kill a cow to get meat. btw, so will I...

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Ball

Are you quoting from other threads or so?

anyway:

The best thing to see if this is true is looking at tribes who don't have a supermarket, butcher or burgerking. You will soon wenough notice that they will happilly kill a cow to get meat. btw, so will I...

I have not personally killed any animals for food (I tried, but I'm a bad shot and the deer got away ). I've watched my dad slaughter a lamb before. He doesn't like doing it, but he did. I would too if I needed to. I'd rather pay someone else to do it though.

[Rejected]

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

The Sanctity of life, monetary value of life, pets and animal relationships?

It seems to me the importance of different life is not as black and white as it first appears and infact modern morality regarding this is highly basted upon emotions. A huge amount of animals, some barley a few months old are slaughtered for food, for money, undersea habitats are fished to extinction with wide net fishing, huge amounts of habitats are destroyed and not given a second thought about. On this level a life is worth little or nothing, animals that are slaughtered for food don’t even get recognised as things that were once alive. And a third of all this food will get wasted!

If we had to kill a goat or a chicken every time you wanted to eat one I don’t think, in the UK anyway many people would kill them to eat them. People say they would never kill or hurt an animal yet munch happily on a burger, not even recognising the animal died for you to eat it. I think its bad faith to get someone to kill it for you.

I beleive that all forms of life are possed of an inherent spark of divinity. I do not kill things out of hand, but i do kill. i kill out of self defense and survival, but never trophy or sport. I understand that animals have to die for me to live, and likewise I acknowledge that if I get eaten by a mountain lion while camping then the life best suited for survival won the day. No hard feelings.

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

Secondly pets get treated almost as family members, yet creatures with far greater intelligence than a cat or a dog still matter hardly. I don’t think some people realise how alike we are to some other creatures, how they feel very similar emotions and feelings.

I beleive that the higher orders of animals express distict personalities and emotions, as well as memory. It has been proven that dolphins and chimpanzees have sex for reasons other than procreation. I do not necessarily advocate animal testing; however I do see the need for it in some cases in order to preserve human life. (Medical research, not cosmetics)

Since the advent of the human race we have had animal companions. But if it comes down to me starving to death or bar-b-cueing the poodle, guess what’s for dinner.

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

We prize some human life above all other life, history has show millions of people are worth sacrificing in war over politics, that criminals lives don’t matter as much, even being killed for what they have done, that in some cases money is more important than life, and peoples lives. So many people hate other people, and disvalue there lives. The value of life is not something that’s fixed, I would argue its mealy opinion

I think we, the human race needs to take a good long look at itself and revaluate our behaviour.

"We gotta come to some new ideas about life folks ok? I'm not being blase about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, doesn't matter to me. What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off your ******* love-list? **** your children, if that's the way you think then **** you too. You either love all people of all ages or you shut the **** up." - Bill Hicks

This pretty much sums it up for me. As far as the death penalty goes I believe that it serves as a warning for the ramifications of certain acts which are destructive to society. It has nothing to do with the value of human life. It is a punishment for those who have chosen to disregard the law.

[michel]

Originally Posted by WARTORIOUS

I think we, the human race needs to take a good long look at itself and revaluate our behaviour.

I think that is the whole purpose of our existence as humans;
you do have the opportunity not to join in. As far as the animals who have to give their lives to feed me, I am aware of their sacrifice. I am happy that there are people who are quite happy killing them, because I don't think I could.