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Old 06-11-2006, 02:38 AM
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Old 06-11-2006, 02:50 AM
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Heh. Yeah. Quite subtley violent isn't it? This is what happens when people feel they own things.
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Ahhh...the old Kipling quote. I used that as a title in a series of papers. I must upload them as articles sometime. I have to say, when he points the finger at himself he is referring to the greatest Jihad, called Jihad An Nafs, which is the fight against ones own self.
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I'm not sure I can remain polite, so I won't make a comment. Let that be a summary of my feelings.
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"Sheikh Kada insists he has never persuaded anyone to go and fight Jihad in Iraq. "Jihad is here," he says poking his chest with his index finger."

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"Sheikh Kada insists he has never persuaded anyone to go and fight Jihad in Iraq. "Jihad is here," he says poking his chest with his index finger."


Are you saying that Sheikh Kada meant that fighting Jihad is a personal decision by ever individual fighter ? (That no one ever puts pressure on potential fighters ?)
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Well I suppose that implication is there. Actually tho', Jihad an Nafs, considered as the Greatest War, is the fight against ones own Ego (see link in previous post). I think this is what he was referring to.
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Well I suppose that implication is there. Actually tho', Jihad an Nafs, considered as the Greatest War, is the fight against ones own Ego (see link in previous post). I think this is what he was referring to.
Then, would a Mullah who teaches violence to his 'congregation' (I am thinking of Abu Hamza) and virtually tells his audience to destroy (for example) video rental stores because of the explicit sexual degradation that they promote, be acting 'out of line' as a Muslim ?
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Not really for us to judge that. In situations like this it is a case of one's own conscience (re: cleric and 'congregation'). We have no hierarchy (spiritual) in Islam, other than maybe the prophets. In fact when Gabriel brought Muhammad forward in time to see the Mahdi and Jesus, Jesus is asked to lead the prayer as he is a prophet, and he replies that he will not, he will take his place amongst the believers stating 'The value in this way of life (deen) is that the believers lead each other.' The Mahdi then leads the prayer and Jesus takes his place amongst the believers.
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