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Old 02-18-2006, 10:20 AM
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The Orlando Sentinel reported on February 2, 2005: (no longer available online)

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Heritage Family Physicians P.A.’s lead physician, Dr. John R. Hartman, and Dawn Pope-Wright, the physician’s assistant, broke medical-ethics rules by using private information to further their political and religious agenda, [Karen Doering, senior counsel for the National Center for Lesbian Rights] said. “It clearly violates medical ethical standards,” Doering said. [...]

Beiler did not mention her sexual orientation to Pope-Wright during the visit, but her medical file did note it. Beiler returned twice to complain, Doering said. The second time, an office manager told her Hartman saw no problem with the materials, and that they had been given to other patients.
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Beiler is asking CIGNA, her healthcare provider, and the Florida Board of Medicine to take action against Pope-Wright and Dr. Hartman for their unethical conduct. “When I opened the sealed packet, I was shocked and outraged,” said Beiler. “I was extremely offended and I felt like I had been violated. To this day I dread the thought of ever having to go to a doctor’s office again.”

Kathleen DeBold, Executive Director of the Mautner Project, the National Lesbian Health Organization, experiences like Beiler’s are indicative of deep-seated homophobia in the healthcare system that jeopardizes the health of a medically underserved population. “Although Ms. Beiler’s courage in telling her story is unique, what happened to her is not. Incidents like this are far too common, and the climate of fear they generate causes many lesbians to avoid or delay getting the medical help they need — often with devastating consequences.”
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That America has been theocratizing medicine is clear. Consider this January 30, 2005 report from The Washington Post –

More than a dozen states are considering new laws to protect health workers who do not want to provide care that conflicts with their personal [religious] beliefs, a surge of legislation that reflects the intensifying tension between asserting individual religious values and defending patients’ rights.
If the law can not help a patient utilize his or her medical rights, maybe the solution is the appropiate medical ethic board. Or a civil suit?

Wouldn't you call this this doctor's behavior at least rude?
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Old 02-18-2006, 10:28 AM
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gosh, i did not realise

nothing like that happens over in the UK (as far as i am aware........)

of course, i suppose it makes sense, because a doctor needs to know the sexual orientation of his/hers patients to help with diagnosing problems

was it only the doctors that had access to the files?
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Old 02-18-2006, 10:54 AM
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And they're trying to pass laws that say a doctor can refuse to treat GLBT people.

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unbelievable. i'm appalled.
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Old 02-18-2006, 12:06 PM
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Okay...
What does it accomplish to deny care based on the patient's freely chosen partner? Are they trying to deprive sexual minorities of medical care so they will all die off and no longer be a 'problem'? (Sounds like eugenics...) Do they honestly believe that refusing to provide care will make them change their ways?
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Unprofessional, vicious, and altogether immoral.
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Unfortunately, you have idiots in all professions. But when they are in such fields as doctors, lawyers, poloticians, etc, they can cause much more damage.
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As a medical practitioner, I'm not condoning behavior by medical professionals that discriminate against GLBT people, however, is it ethical for a medical professional to not disclose that he or she might not be able to give their best care due to such prejudices?

I have no problem with working on GLBT people. However, I have been discrimated against by lesbian patients due to my gender. Discrimination in medicine can be a two way street.
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What if you're a doctor who has an ethical problem treating blacks?

A_L...who's the customer? It seems to me that the most obvious reason for laws like these are simply to deny patients coverage by insurance companies. Probably sounds stupid, but that's where the money is at.
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What if you're a doctor who has an ethical problem treating blacks?

A_L...who's the customer? It seems to me that the most obvious reason for laws like these are simply to deny patients coverage by insurance companies. Probably sounds stupid, but that's where the money is at.
The same would hold true in that case too Ormiston. Discrimination and disclosure is an ethical question that is debated in medcine.

Who is the customer? I would give you a list of patient's names but it would be unethical. But for the record. I have a lot of lesbian patients too.

You are so correct. Insurance "wags the dog" when it comes to medicine.
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