Sexual Orientation (morals, minority, homosexuals, sexuality, morals)

[Fluffy]

In my attempts to unify human sexuality, I wrote the following article. It deals with everything that could be considered a sexual attraction from incest, to gender discriminating interest, to age discriminating interest (including paedophilia) and many other deviant sexualities such as bestiality etc.

Essentially it is an attempt to look at the common components of each and apply a morality to all of them that isn't a double standard as so often is the case when it comes to sexuality. For example, even amongst the most strongly pro-gay supporters are those who would condemn someone who found animals attractive sexually as disgusting and morally wrong. This article attempts to show that such views are hypocritical and undermine the cause of equality of the sexualities.

The article is hosted on this site and can be found at: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/article.php?a=48
for anyone who is interested in reading and debating such a concept.

Fluffy

[YamiB.]

At first I thought you were trying to say that bestality and pedophila were fine.

I do agree that until they're acted upon bestatilty and pedophila would be ok.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by Fluffy

In my attempts to unify human sexuality, I wrote the following article. It deals with everything that could be considered a sexual attraction from incest, to gender discriminating interest, to age discriminating interest (including paedophilia) and many other deviant sexualities such as bestiality etc.

Essentially it is an attempt to look at the common components of each and apply a morality to all of them that isn't a double standard as so often is the case when it comes to sexuality. For example, even amongst the most strongly pro-gay supporters are those who would condemn someone who found animals attractive sexually as disgusting and morally wrong. This article attempts to show that such views are hypocritical and undermine the cause of equality of the sexualities.

The article is hosted on this site and can be found at: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/article.php?a=48
for anyone who is interested in reading and debating such a concept.

Fluffy

I agree that someone who controls their urges to have intercourse with an animal or child has done nothing wrong, yet I feel they really need to seek help. As far as it being a double-standard for homosexuals or "pro-gay supporters" to condemn this, I do not agree.

Homosexual and heterosexual relationships are mostly consentual. It is something between two people who want the relationship. I do not believe a child or an animal can comprehend a relationship (unless in the case of the animal, it involves another animal, and even then, it is based on instinct).

As far as being a "pro-gay supporter", I really don't like that term......I prefer human being. It is my view that all human beings should be tolerant of each other naturally. It is not that I woke up one day and said "hey, let's support gay people".....it is something that comes naturally. It is not that I support anyone.....I am just not against them in anyway. Please be careful with your titles.

[Jaiket]

It seems like a rational and organised piece of work. Very concise, and of course, leaning toward tolerance and understanding, which is always good in my opinion.

[michel]

Originally Posted by truthseekingsoul

It seems like a rational and organised piece of work. Very concise, and of course, leaning toward tolerance and understanding, which is always good in my opinion.

What else would you expect from Fluffy? - I believe him to be very tollerant.

[cardero]

huajiro writes:Homosexual and heterosexual relationships are mostly consentual. It is something between two people who want the relationship. I do not believe a child or an animal can comprehend a relationship (unless in the case of the animal, it involves another animal, and even then, it is based on instinct).

Actually this miscomprehension knows no age limit.

[Fluffy]

I agree that someone who controls their urges to have intercourse with an animal or child has done nothing wrong, yet I feel they really need to seek help. As far as it being a double-standard for homosexuals or "pro-gay supporters" to condemn this, I do not agree.

I didn't say that it was a double-standard for homosexuals or "pro-gay supporters" to condemn pedophilia or bestiality. What is a double-standard is for somebody who spends a large portion of their time being critical of the argument "its wrong because it is disgusting" to turn around and say "pedophilia disgusts me, they should be lined up and shot".

I am uncertain whether they need to seek help or not. There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that sexuality is not something that can be changed so if you are suggesting they should go out and become "cured" then I strongly disagree with you. Testosterone therapy, if needed, would be very helpful to those who are unable to control their urges or are scared they may be unable to in the future. However, I do not think that pedophilia=an uncontrollably lusty male who given a moments chance will rape a child. These services should be made available if they are needed but considering that pedophile's are a minority of child molesters, I don't see this as something that needs immediate priority.

Homosexual and heterosexual relationships are mostly consentual. It is something between two people who want the relationship. I do not believe a child or an animal can comprehend a relationship (unless in the case of the animal, it involves another animal, and even then, it is based on instinct).

The concept of relationship does not enter into the article. The morals suggested in it could easily be applied to a society of heterosexuals who never engaged in sexual intercourse. The whole point is that, up until being acted upon, all sexualities are equal.

As far as being a "pro-gay supporter", I really don't like that term......I prefer human being. It is my view that all human beings should be tolerant of each other naturally. It is not that I woke up one day and said "hey, let's support gay people".....it is something that comes naturally. It is not that I support anyone.....I am just not against them in anyway. Please be careful with your titles.

Then you would not fall under "pro-gay supporter". It is an unfortunate fact that all human beings are not tolerant towards each other naturally. Being pro-gay is merely a response to those who are anti-gay since a stance of neutrality is less effective against hostility.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by Fluffy

I am uncertain whether they need to seek help or not. There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that sexuality is not something that can be changed so if you are suggesting they should go out and become "cured" then I strongly disagree with you. Testosterone therapy, if needed, would be very helpful to those who are unable to control their urges or are scared they may be unable to in the future. However, I do not think that pedophilia=an uncontrollably lusty male who given a moments chance will rape a child. These services should be made available if they are needed but considering that pedophile's are a minority of child molesters, I don't see this as something that needs immediate priority.

I don't think I ever said anything remotely similar to "they should go out and become cured". I said they should seek help, anything that will help them. Any urge you have that could potentially affect any living being in a negative manner needs attention. If I had any of those urges, I would try to get help.

Originally Posted by Fluffy

The concept of relationship does not enter into the article. The morals suggested in it could easily be applied to a society of heterosexuals who never engaged in sexual intercourse. The whole point is that, up until being acted upon, all sexualities are equal.

Relationship:


a relation between people; (`relationship' is often used where `relation' would serve, as in `the relationship between inflation and unemployment', but the preferred usage of `relationship' is for human relations or states of relatedness); "the relationship between mothers and their children"
a state of connectedness between people (especially an emotional connection); "he didn't want his wife to know of the relationship"
a state involving mutual dealings between people or parties or countries
kinship: state of relatedness or connection by blood or marriage or adoption

I am sorry, even a brief sexual encounter is a relationship, however brief it may be.

Originally Posted by Fluffy

Then you would not fall under "pro-gay supporter". It is an unfortunate fact that all human beings are not tolerant towards each other naturally. Being pro-gay is merely a response to those who are anti-gay since a stance of neutrality is less effective against hostility.

Human:


characteristic of humanity; "human nature"
person: a human being; "there was too much for one person to do"
relating to a person; "the experiment was conducted on 6 monkeys and 2 human subjects"
homo: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae
<LI>having human form or attributes as opposed to those of animals or divine beings; "human beings"; "the human body"; "human kindness"; "human frailty"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

When I said that I am a human being.....I was referring to having human kindness.....not referring to the other millions and millions of homo saphiens that lack those characteristics.