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Old 02-18-2013, 01:25 PM
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I found that interesting. Which is your posture on the issue?
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EDIT: Okay, I can breathe now. I guess this is what happens when one develops the most shallow understanding of income disparity and the methods and studies that have determined discrimination in the workplace.
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Not always a myth. While she may have point about what kind of jobs pay higher and lower, that doesn't mean that there aren't cases where women and men are paid differently for the same work. For example, a local hardware store here employs both men and women to work as sales people on its sales floor. Each person, regardless of gender, have the same types of duties. Stocking shelves, helping customers, inventory, and so on. The owner has notoriously paid the men who work there more than the women. Even newly hired college boys make more than women who have worked there for over 10 years. His supposed reasoning? Who knows? Maybe he thinks the men are more valuable because even though the women are more knowledgeable the customers would rather speaks to a man??? Or maybe he just values men more.

Point is, this can't just be a one place thing in the country. He's not the only person doing this. The issue is not with two people having two different jobs having two different levels of income. The issue is two people doing the exact same job and having two different levels of income with the only difference being their genitals.
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Not always a myth. While she may have point about what kind of jobs pay higher and lower, that doesn't mean that there aren't cases where women and men are paid differently for the same work. For example, a local hardware store here employs both men and women to work as sales people on its sales floor. Each person, regardless of gender, have the same types of duties. Stocking shelves, helping customers, inventory, and so on. The owner has notoriously paid the men who work there more than the women. Even newly hired college boys make more than women who have worked there for over 10 years. His supposed reasoning? Who knows? Maybe he thinks the men are more valuable because even though the women are more knowledgeable the customers would rather speaks to a man??? Or maybe he just values men more.

Point is, this can't just be a one place thing in the country. He's not the only person doing this. The issue is not with two people having two different jobs having two different levels of income. The issue is two people doing the exact same job and having two different levels of income with the only difference being their genitals.
He must not be the only one indeed. I was looking it up, and there IS a gap when comparing the same jobs. Is usually around 10% more money to men, butore on the lower end, like 8 or 7. Does sound kinda crazy, I do wonder how was this done without some sort of court action? I mean while I get the law of equal payment is new, the laws against discrimination are not, so I do wonder.

There is also the posibilities that in some cases, given that women generaly take more on the role of caregivers when it comes to children, them being mothers aAND workers makes them effectively more tired than men when it comes to work. Of course in those scenarios ere would be an example of how a man should take aoe equal role on the parenting.
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I found that interesting. Which is your posture on the issue?
At least in this country, companies are generally careful about paying employees of different gender in the same position the same wage... or at least basing any difference in wage on job performance and not gender.

However, I think that there can still be discrepancies between similar jobs in different fields. If we look at two jobs in two industries that have different job titles but are similar in terms of things like level of responsibility, physical effort, time commitment, harshness of the working environment, required level of skill/education/etc., and size of the labour pool for each job, we can often find that traditionally female-dominated jobs pay less than equivalent male-dominated jobs.

I think this is getting better, though - more and more, human resources staff are getting into job evaluation processes that look at these sorts of factors and try to ensure that different jobs with similar characteristics get paid the same.
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Not always a myth. While she may have point about what kind of jobs pay higher and lower, that doesn't mean that there aren't cases where women and men are paid differently for the same work. For example, a local hardware store here employs both men and women to work as sales people on its sales floor. Each person, regardless of gender, have the same types of duties. Stocking shelves, helping customers, inventory, and so on. The owner has notoriously paid the men who work there more than the women. Even newly hired college boys make more than women who have worked there for over 10 years. His supposed reasoning? Who knows? Maybe he thinks the men are more valuable because even though the women are more knowledgeable the customers would rather speaks to a man??? Or maybe he just values men more.

Point is, this can't just be a one place thing in the country. He's not the only person doing this. The issue is not with two people having two different jobs having two different levels of income. The issue is two people doing the exact same job and having two different levels of income with the only difference being their genitals.
Hi!

I notice that you are in Iowa. That State.... again! Doesn't seem to have a very good equal-rights record....?

Am I right in saying that different States seem to have varying values, laws and rights.....and Iowa is just a bit backward about equal-rights?

Is the shop owner breaking Iowan law, or is he allowed to pay less to women?

Every time I hear about Iowa I am shocked silly....
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Women who get paid less should take half of the responsibility for letting this happen.

I see many women get under paid and accept a fancy title in lieu of the better pay check.

"Director of Office Supplies" Well you get my point.

You show me a high paid person and I will show you a person who will walk off the job in a heart beat. You have to refuse to be taken advantage of.

You have to market yourself effectively. If you don't think you are worth a certain amount of money and refuse to work for less how on earth are you ever going to convince your employer to pay you what you need to be paid?
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This is not just a women's issue. Years ago when the economy was in full swing, there was a shortage of high caliber painters. I knew a guy that was employed and a master at what he did. He was the foreman and ran the crew of painters.

The owner hired a bunch of new painters and on Friday when the foreman was passing out paychecks one of them opened up their envelope and made a comment about the amount of their check and the foreman realised he was making less money than the new hired folks.

He looked in the paper to find another job and saw an advertisement from his current employer offering a wage several dollars higher than he was being paid.

He stormed into the owners office and slammed the news paper on his desk and proclaimed he wanted to apply for this job!

Any employer will try to employ you for as little as they can and it is the employee's job to negotiate the better wage. Don't let an employer dictate what the wage is, tell them what you are willing to work for and take responsibility for your wage rate.

You do have to agree to work for them and what you will be paid. Market yourself and keep track of what other companies are paying for the same kind of work.

Lastly, some of the best painters I have ever seen where women.
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