Transgender Prejudice

[nnmartin]

Originally Posted by InformedIgnorance

Not currently, you mention DNA and chromosomes, perhaps one day we WILL be able to change those, what then?

perhaps we will all be able to do time travel, become invisible and grow wings as well....

[InformedIgnorance]

Perhaps we will (though I doubt the time travel part, it may be possible, who knows); that would certainly mean your argument is no longer applicable though, wouldn't it.

I see, so what about other people then? Should other men who do not feel the same way as you have to use the same facilities (providing it is not a unisex toilet of course! lol) as these individuals?

If yes, then are you not disrespecting the rights of the men? If no, will you provide additional facilities for the transgender (since you have said they should not use the women's)? That seems rather discriminatory, why not simply recognise them as they have chosen to be recognised? (True, given my personal reservations that may be calling the kettle black, however I believe institutionalising such differentiations to be unhelpful)

[Songbird]

Sigh.

[Revoltingest]

Originally Posted by nnmartin

pure nonsense - born a man, always a man.

Why?
I bought a duplex once & converted it to a single family house (higher rent, you know).
If it functions as a house, then it is a house, regardless of its history.

ever heard of DNA and chromosomes?

Sounds familiar.....hmmm.....something about biology, right?
Do you have a cogent argument to make regarding DNA & gender?
You can get all technical....I've taken a couple science courses.

The mens.

Do you think this would cause more trouble than her using the women's room?
You know....human being with long hair, boobs, girlish figure, dress, & CFPs would look most odd at a urinal.

yes, for sure.

Group showers could prove unsettling, since she looks the part of a female.
And with the hormone treatment, she'd lack the strength of males & that killer instinct....except for her time of the month....which she probably wouldn't have.

You cannot change your gender as assigned by Nature.

Woo hoo! We agree! Since she had the mind of a female & was born with the body of a male, it makes sense to face this inability to change.
Thus, one must modify the body to match the gender, ie, female. This also follows the natural order of things....which is important to some.

[InformedIgnorance]

Originally Posted by Revoltingest

Woo hoo! We agree! Since she had the mind of a female & was born with the body of a male, it makes sense to face this inability to change.
Thus, one must modify the body to match the gender, ie, female.

Sly lol

Frubals

[Revoltingest]

Originally Posted by InformedIgnorance

Sly lol
Frubals

Thanx! I seek out common ground.

[InformedIgnorance]

If everyone who meets them perceives an individual's gender to be 'female' and if that person themselves perceives themselves to be 'female' then surely it would make sense for them to use the female facilities, even if when they were born they were biologically male. The argument to use the male facilities in such a case seems, ill-defined if not ill-conceived, not only is it probably more disruptive as Revolting suggests, but it opposes their own understanding of their gender identity, for no other reason other than you would prefer that they use the same toilets you do (because of both being biologically male at birth)


Edit: That was not intended to sound as if you were some sort of perv - added a note at the end.

[-Peacemaker-]

Regardless of whatever cosmetic changes it's capable of making, some people don't recognize gender "reassignment" surgery as a legitimate way to change form being a male to a female. It's my belief that only in a world gone insane can one believe otherwise

[Revoltingest]

Originally Posted by Junglej25

Regardless of whatever cosmetic changes it's capable of making, some people don't recognize gender "reassignment" surgery as a legitimate way to change form being a male to a female. It's my belief that only in a world gone insane can one believe otherwise

We see this. But I haven't seen a reasoned argument for it.
Btw, the world is insane.

[InformedIgnorance]

Moreover even if they do not recognise the complete transition from gender to gender, I think you will find it extremely rare that anyone does not recognise that at least a partial transition has occurred, therefore they should no longer be treated in the same way as they would as a member of their previous gender and instead at least MORE in the fashion of the gender to which they have attempted to transition to. Of course that would only be in aspects where there is any inherent reason for treating people differently according to their genders (for example I have had a transgender teacher once - whom I disliked at the time regardless of her gender and whom I later realised was merely a strict teacher and therefore amended my opinion, once again having nothing to do with her gender)