Energy Healing (ritual, mystic, tradition, evolution, experience)

[Lightkeeper]

I heard a speaker on the radio today talking about healing. He was saying that Newton physics was about the Physical world. With the advent of Quantum Physics in 1925 our world changed, because we realized everything physical was really energy. He said the field of medicine is still in the "physical" frame of mind. They give chemicals to heal and we get many side effects. His stance was that we should be using energy to heal and that each of us can be trained to heal ourselves. He talked about using the power of our subconcious mind. When you think of it placebos work on some people, because they believe they work. What do you thinnk?

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

I heard a speaker on the radio today talking about healing. He was saying that Newton physics was about the Physical world. With the advent of Quantum Physics in 1925 our world changed, because we realized everything physical was really energy. He said the field of medicine is still in the "physical" frame of mind. They give chemicals to heal and we get many side effects. His stance was that we should be using energy to heal and that each of us can be trained to heal ourselves. He talked about using the power of our subconcious mind. When you think of it placebos work on some people, because they believe they work. What do you thinnk?

I do energy work and I know many others who do as well. It works. I taught my 12 year old son how to do it when he was 10. He is able to get rid of my migraines when nothing else does and he can do it in 5 minutes. I used to dread migraines....not anymore.

My husband is an absolute skeptic but now when he gets migraines, he comes to see me instead of heading for his medicine....because I'm better.

If you want more information on how it actually works, this is a good book: Spiritual Healing: Scientific validation of a healing revolution by Dr. Daniel J Benor.

Since I've done energy work many times on people who absolutely do not believe it will work, I do not believe it is a placebo effect.

Anyone can be taught to do it and it doesn't require a belief in God although I read somewhere that they found those who had a belief in a higher power actually had more positive results than those who didn't believe in anything. Just a curious tidbit.

[Lightkeeper]

Excellent post, Melody. Thanks for the info. I think this is something to think about. It doesn't make sense that most of our medicines have long lists of side effects. That would mean they are not good for you.

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

I heard a speaker on the radio today talking about healing. He was saying that Newton physics was about the Physical world. With the advent of Quantum Physics in 1925 our world changed, because we realized everything physical was really energy. He said the field of medicine is still in the "physical" frame of mind. They give chemicals to heal and we get many side effects. His stance was that we should be using energy to heal...

What kind of energy? Thermal energy? Chemical energy? Gravitational potential energy? How does this "energy" stop neurons from sending pain messages to the brain, or fight infections?

Furthermore, if everything physical is really energy, then taking a physical pill is "using energy to heal," isn't it?

[No*s]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

I heard a speaker on the radio today talking about healing. He was saying that Newton physics was about the Physical world. With the advent of Quantum Physics in 1925 our world changed, because we realized everything physical was really energy. He said the field of medicine is still in the "physical" frame of mind. They give chemicals to heal and we get many side effects. His stance was that we should be using energy to heal and that each of us can be trained to heal ourselves. He talked about using the power of our subconcious mind. When you think of it placebos work on some people, because they believe they work. What do you thinnk?

I believe placebos work, because just like we have the capacity to project illnesses onto ourselves, we also have the capacity to project wellness. We can make up an illness, and imagine ourselves well as well. Placebos may rid someone of an illness they imagined, and they may cause a person to supress symptoms. I don't believe it is mystical there.

Do I believe in spiritual "energies?" Yeah, but I don't apply such concepts to medicine .

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

What kind of energy? Thermal energy? Chemical energy? Gravitational potential energy? How does this "energy" stop neurons from sending pain messages to the brain, or fight infections?

You'll have to read the book because it's too complicated for me to explain here.

The basic view though is that the body has an energy field and it can be manipulated and when you're ill it's a physical sign that your energy field is out of whack. The book lists tests that have been done to prove this.

I'll just have to say "ditto" to what one Toledo Hospital physician said: "I don't know how it works and it's outside my scope of knowledge or experience, but I can't argue that it works."

Energy work is an alternative form of medicine and is used in conjunction with traditional medicine in hospitals....generally not to cure but to alleviate pain or side effects of chemotherapy (for example).

[Lightkeeper]

I heard about a Vibe machine today that raises your cell frequency. Supposedly a few minutes with the machine a few times can heal many physical problems.
http://www.vibemachine.com/

[Halcyon]

Furthermore, if everything physical is really energy, then taking a physical pill is "using energy to heal," isn't it?

Hmmm quite, if you have a problem with energy in the form of matter, then using matter to cure the problem is the most obvious and logical way to go about it.

Not to say i don't think there isn't anything to mind over matter, if you believe in the Zero Point Field then everything is linked and so, IMHO, if you're linked to something then you can affect it. There was that Russian lady who could stop frog's hearts with just her thoughts after all, although it really nackered her.

I believe placebos work, because just like we have the capacity to project illnesses onto ourselves, we also have the capacity to project wellness.

According to New Scientist journal, placebo's have a chemical effect somehow. A scientist gave people morphine to rid them of induced pain for, i think 13 days, then on the 14 day gave some saline instead, but the saline had the same effect as the morphine. Others he gave saline with a morphine inhibiting drug, and that caused no pain relieving effects. Weird, there's no scientific explaination for it though, it was one of their 13 unexplainable things!

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Melody

You'll have to read the book because it's too complicated for me to explain here.

The basic view though is that the body has an energy field and it can be manipulated and when you're ill it's a physical sign that your energy field is out of whack. The book lists tests that have been done to prove this.

So the reason I inhaled virus spores which then attacked my throat area and caused my lymph nodes to become swollen is because my "energy field is out of whack"? Forgive me, but doesn't this sound suspiciously like New Age quackery?

Lightkeeper-- that Vibe machine is certainly quackery. All the site gives are some articles written in some newspapers (nothing from a credible medical journal), and testimonies from people who say it worked. But people can get over illnesses and migraines on their own....in order to show that this machine caused the improved health, clinical trials have to be done and the results of all of the subjects have to be recorded (not just the successes), and there must be a control group. The site gives no real evidence that the Vibe machine can do anything at all, much less that the dubious theory behind "negative frequencies" in the body is sound.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

So the reason I inhaled virus sp