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Old 03-20-2005, 06:15 AM
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I don't think American culture is any more or less shallow than any other western culture.
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Have you listenned to conservative talk radio recently? Isn't that shallow?
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Have you listenned to conservative talk radio recently? Isn't that shallow?
Is it honestly any less shallow than the opposing side? Conservative talk radio is simply one manifestation of our politics, and if you ask me, both sides can get pretty shallow.
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There is so much to our culture, that I don't see how you can make an overall statement. We come to the rescue of countries in trouble. We have many outreach programs. We have artists, musicians, poets, scientists, engineers, etc. Many people are on a spiritual quest. The fact that we make mistakes shows that we are seeking.

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Is it honestly any less shallow than the opposing side? Conservative talk radio is simply one manifestation of our politics, and if you ask me, both sides can get pretty shallow.
I actually agree with you, No*s. Even though I'm pretty liberal, I admit that liberal pundits can be as shallow as conservative pundits. Maybe it's just that politics itself tends to be shallow.
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Old 03-20-2005, 03:24 PM
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There is so much to our culture, that I don't see how you can make an overall statement. We come to the rescue of countries in trouble. We have many outreach programs. We have artists, musicians, poets, scientists, engineers, etc. Many people are on a spiritual quest. The fact that we make mistakes show that we are seeking.
Good point, Lightkeeper. It's a sweeping generalization to say that American culture is either shallow or profound. The truth is closer to saying that some aspects of it are comparatively shallow and some aspects of it are comparatively profound.
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I actually agree with you, No*s. Even though I'm pretty liberal, I admit that liberal pundits can be as shallow as conservative pundits. Maybe it's just that politics itself tends to be shallow.
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I think you're right in that. The best minds tend to go elsewhere. They're in physics or the sciences predominantly now. We can also find them in philosophy, and in the past theology (this is less of a trend now). I find it interesting that I rarely read a political treatise where the author's work simply seems brilliant, but I do in science, philosophy, theology, and so on. I've wondered about that before .
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Old 03-20-2005, 03:28 PM
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I think you're right in that. The best minds tend to go elsewhere. They're in physics or the sciences predominantly now. We can also find them in philosophy, and in the past theology (this is less of a trend now). I find it interesting that I rarely read a political treatise where the author's work simply seems brilliant, but I do in science, philosophy, theology, and so on. I've wondered about that before .
I'm relieved that the Founders didn't have the same aversion to politics as most of us do today. Maybe the founding of the country was the last time we had many first rate minds engaged in politics.
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Have you listenned to conservative talk radio recently? Isn't that shallow?
That's only a small aspect of our culture. I'm sure you can find the same sort of stuff in many European countries.
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I actually agree with you, No*s. Even though I'm pretty liberal, I admit that liberal pundits can be as shallow as conservative pundits. Maybe it's just that politics itself tends to be shallow.
I wouldn't argue with you on that. We were watching one of those news shows this morning and they were discussing the Schiavo case in terms of the political advantage/disadvantage of taking sides. Apparently memos are already circulating among the politicians on how they can best use this for their advantage. Shallow and disgusting.
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