The ten commandments movie

[sniper762]

the movie "the ten commandments" has always been one of my favorites. the movie depicts ramesses ii's first born to have died as a child, due to the 10th plauge brought on by moses' atttempt to free the hebrews mentioned in the bible.

recently during my research, i have learned that ramesses ii's first born son did not die until the 25th year of the pharoh's reign.

see below:

Sons of Rameses II

Eldest son of Ramesses II and queen Nefertari. He was born when his father was still Crown Prince. He accompanied Ramesses on his first military campaign to Nubia, when he was five years old. Father of two sons: Setherkhopshef and Wesermaatre. His name means Amon is with his strong arm. Until the coronation of his father as pharaoh, he had been known as Amonherwenemef, Amon is on his right hand. He was appointed General-in-Chief of the Army and Crown Prince, but he died before his father,between age forty and fifty-five.

Amun-her-khepeshef - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Amun-her-khepeshef or Amonhirkhopshef or Amun-her-wenemef was the firstborn son of Pharaoh Ramesses II and Queen Nefertari.

does anyone else have a comment on this?

[fallingblood]

The problem with the story of Moses is that we don't have anything to judge it by except the Bible. And the Biblical story simply disagrees with what we know.

The first main problem is that we have no records of this from Egypt. Logically, such a large rebellion would have been noticed. Second, there is no physical evidence. If as many individuals had participated in this mass exodus, there would logically be some massive evidence showing this. However, we have no archeological record. Seemingly, there is no mark left by this supposed exodus.

As for the birth of Moses, as we see with many other highly important figures in the Old Testament (King David, Samuel), important births are placed with them. This is common throughout that area. We see it as well with Alexander the Great, and Augustus. The idea was that if a person had a great life, they had to have had a great birth.

From what I have read, I would say that most likely, there was a migration of some Hebrew slaves (probably not Hebrew at that time, but would later help form the Hebrew nation). Maybe they were led by a man named Moses. They either settled by themselves in Canaan (the Canaan tribes were breaking down at that time), or maybe met with another group. There they began forming a new tribe, the Hebrews. They wanted to separate themselves from the other Canaanite tribes, but also wanted a uniting background. The story of Moses, which was remembered, was being circulated at that time, and began to be exaggerated. When it written down, much later, those exaggerations stuck and that is the story we now have.

[sniper762]

you say: The first main problem is that we have no records of this from Egypt

so you disregard the historical data that i posted as being "no records"?

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by sniper762

you say: The first main problem is that we have no records of this from Egypt

so you disregard the historical data that i posted as being "no records"?

I'm speaking specifically about Moses and a Hebrew exodus.

[bobhikes]

There are many differences between the movie's story line and the Exodus story as traditionally understood from the Bible. According to the commentary in the DVD, some details are taken from sources such as Josephus, the Sepher ha-Yashar, and the Chronicle of Moses, as well as the Qur'an. Some are fictional inventions.

Movies are never 100% accurate.

[Falvlun]

Moses! (as said by that lady in the movie)

I don't have anything to add, except that I love that movie too.

[bobhikes]

Originally Posted by Falvlun

Moses! (as said by that lady in the movie)

I don't have anything to add, except that I love that movie too.

Probably my favorite religious movie.

[Wannabe Yogi]

Originally Posted by fallingblood

From what I have read, I would say that most likely, there was a migration of some Hebrew slaves (probably not Hebrew at that time, but would later help form the Hebrew nation). Maybe they were led by a man named Moses. They either settled by themselves in Canaan (the Canaan tribes were breaking down at that time), or maybe met with another group. There they began forming a new tribe, the Hebrews. They wanted to separate themselves from the other Canaanite tribes, but also wanted a uniting background. The story of Moses, which was remembered, was being circulated at that time, and began to be exaggerated. When it written down, much later, those exaggerations stuck and that is the story we now have.

From what I understand there is no proof that the Jews were ever in Egypt. There is proof that the Jews were in Canaan at the time. So your comments seem to me to be pure speculation. Thats ok, I like mythic speculation.

It is a great Myth that has been a great support to both the Jews and other groups who have suffered greatly far from home, like black slaves in the Americas. The Exodus is true even if it is not historical.

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by Wannabe Yogi

From what I understand there is no proof that the Jews were ever in Egypt. There is proof that the Jews were in Canaan at the time. So your comments seem to me to be pure speculation. Thats ok, I like mythic speculation.

It is a great Myth that has been a great support to both the Jews and other groups who have suffered greatly far from home, like black slaves in the Americas. The Exodus is true even if it is not historical.

I wasn't trying to say that the Jews as a whole were in Egypt. Just that there is a possibility that some individuals were in Egypt, escaped, and then joined up with the group that became Jews. And then together, these stories began to form the stories, and exaggerate the actual event of escaping from Egypt, and making it into a national epic, instead of that of one with a relatively few.

[Levite]

Cecil B. DeMille was many things, but archaeologist and theologian were not among them....