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My niece, Zorjana, is especially religious. She's always lecturing me, even when she was a very young girl.

"Why don't you wear a hijab, Mila?"
"But I do, Zorjana. I always wear one when I go to mosque."
"Well... you don't go nearly enough."

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Maybe this is past life memories, cause I did read an article about children's ability to recall their past lives, and the child would even say, "I was this or that one time, like the child would claim to be a shoe keeper for instance and know everything about being a shoe keeper." Maybe my daughter was a devout Christian in her past life, lol, then again I wasn't too sure if I believed that kids were able to do recall their past lives, but I didn't say that I DIDN'T believe either. Then again, maybe she did hear it from somebody and doesn't want to tell me like Buttercup said, who knows, but I'll try to gt it out of her.

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Elawar ever uttered when he was not yet two years old were 'Jamileh' and 'Mahmoud'. In itself nothing unusual, except that this Lebanese child later claimed that these were the names of people he had known in a previous life. For his family this was the start of a time of confusion, for little Imad talked constantly about his 'previous life'.
He mentioned names of people, spoke about possessions which had been his, said his family name used to be 'Bouhamzy', and that he had lived in Khriby (even before he could pronounce the name properly he spoke of 'Thliby'), another village in Lebanon not all that far from Kornayel, the village where he now lived.
He regularly begged his parents to take him to visit Khriby, but they did not respond. It was not so much that they were not open to the possibility that Imad's claim to remember a previous life might be genuine - after all, they were Druzes, a religious community for whom the concept of reincarnation is an accepted part of their religious dogma. But even then it can be rather annoying when a child is constantly 'going on' about what he thinks is his previous family, and even more so when the comparison between the two is made to the present family's detriment.
For instance, Imad was wont to rhapsodize over the beauty of a "Jamileh", compared with whom, he implied more than once, his mother could not compare.
You were my neighbour
Whatever the reason, Imad did not get the opportunity to go to Khriby but, one day when a villager from Khriby was visiting Kornayel, the small Imad ran up to him, grasped his knee and said, "You were my neighbour". That is how matters stood when, in March 1964, Professor Ian Stevenson, an American scientist, visited Kornayel. He was looking for people who appeared to remember past lives and here he came across a rather striking case.
Imad had never visited Khriby. There was also no contact between Imad's present family and the 'Bouhamzys', the family Imad claimed as his in his previous incarnation. Stevenson had the opportunity to hear at first hand from Imad, then five and a half years old, what he could remember and to take him to Khriby to compare the information with the reality. Before they travelled to Khriby, Professor Stevenson noted down 47 claims by Imad, which later proved to be verifiable.
Of those claims, 44 turned out to apply to the life of a certain Ibrahim Bouhamzy, who had died of tuberculosis in 1949 at the age of 25. Only 3 of Imad's claims could not be corroborated.
To begin with, there was Jamileh, Imad's childhood dream, about whom he had continued to romance for years - although, at the age of ten, realizing that the subject of his worship had meanwhile grown too old, he announced that Jamileh's daughter would do for him. This Jamileh had been, it seems, Ibrahim Bouhamzy's mistress and, according to the people in Khriby who had known her then, she had indeed been exceptionally beautiful. Imad described accurately some of the clothes Jamileh used to wear.
He gave the correct names of Ibrahim's friends and family; and he mentioned a motor-vehicle accident in which a man broke both legs and later died - something which had indeed occurred to a cousin of Bouhamzy's shortly before he himself died. Imad went on to say that while he was Ibrahim, one of his friends had been the Lebanese politician Kemal Jumblatt (the friendship had indeed existed and when, in order to test him, he was told that Jumblatt had died, the small boy became extremely upset. The fact that Imad correctly stated that Ibrahim had possessed a double barrelled shotgun and a rifle was less unusual, as weapons are common in Lebanon. What was unusual was the fact that without ever having set foot in the Bouhamzy house he was able to describe exactly, where the (illegal) gun was hidden - something only Ibrahim's mother knew.
Imad also recalled a story, curious to say the least, that as Ibrahim, he had once bitten a dog. As any journalist will tell you, this is always more interesting news than when a dog bites a man. Ibrahim had actually done that, Professor Stevenson found out from his still living family, when his dog was losing a fight the young man had 'intervened'. Imad recounted many more accurate instances from Ibrahim's life: he had owned a small yellow car, a bus and a truck, was fairly well to do, he loved hunting, near his house there were two springs - and so on. Moreover, Professor Stevenson soon discovered that Imad had several predelictions and character traits in common with the deceased Ibrahim, and learned French with marked rapidity, a language which Ibrahim had picked up when in the French army. And, to be sure, the man from Khriby whom the two-year-old Imad had recognized as his former neighbour had indeed been Ibrahim's neighbour.
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Imad's visit to Khriby, under the observant patronage of Professor Stevenson, produced still more interesting discoveries. Imad had never been there before and had also never met any of the Bouhamzys. Yet this did not prevent him from recognizing various members of the family and calling them by name. Ibrahim's mother he did not remember (she had changed a great deal) but he did identify his sister by her correct name (Huda). He recognized his brother Faud from a painting, and when shown a snapshot of Ibrahim Bouhamzy and asked who it was, he answered, "That's me". Still more amazing is that he was able to remember exactly the last words Ibrahim uttered on his deathbed: "Huda, call Faud". There were many more detailed facts but this, in a nutshell, is the 'case' of Imad Elawar.
This is only one of the hundreds of alleged 'memories' of previous lives which Professor Stevenson traced and investigated. Being a cautious scientist he did not quite conclude that reincarnation is a proven fact. He prefers to speak in terms of "cases suggestive of reincarnation". In the course of his research he discovered that such cases tend to occur particularly in areas where the people are familiar with the concept of reincarnation: Asia, the Lebanon, North-West Canada.
Some people regard this as a weakness in his premise, for they assume that parents familiar with the concept might tend to encourage ordinary childhood fantasies and to blow them up out of all proportion. Stevenson denies this. He discovered that even in communities where reincarnation is a firmly held belief, talking about memories from past lives is very seldom encouraged by parents - in fact it is more often discouraged. Often the form of discouragement used is to wash out the child's mouth with soap, which soon stops them from bringing up the subject again.
In some areas, particularly in Asia, it is regarded as undesirable to remember a past life. Besides this, parents are enough preoccupied with large families and a harsh life, and do not have the time to spare to pay much attention to the ideas of their children. Nevertheless, familiarity with the concept of reincarnation does see to it that specific statements from children are interpreted in the right context, whilst in other cultures, unfamiliar with the notion of rebirth, such stories have been ignored. As a result, in the Christian West, reincarnation (until recently that is) was not a subject that one spoke about. This has changed, however, and there is much experimentation - often with the aid of drugs and/or hypnosis (regression therapy) - to recall past lives.
The number of spontaneously occurring cases also seems to be increasing, Professor Stevenson says. "It remains true that in relative numbers we have far fewer cases from the United States (apart from Alaska) and Europe than we have from Asia. However, the number of cases reported to me from the United States has increased markedly since 1966 and more reports have also come from Europe".
In Stevenson's estimation, in the regions where reincarnation is an accepted fact, about one in every thousand children spontaneously remembers a past life. One of his informants estimated that among the Druzes it is as much as one in five hundred. This does seem to be a clear contradiction of the argument, frequently used to discount the hypothesis of reincarnation, that no one ever seems to remember a past life.
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Really, could you give me some examples? I did read (like Becky said) about children could be somehow more conncected to the divine, what suprises me is that she's so fixated on Jesus(today), I've read about children's ability to see other spirits very readily, but to talk about Jesus? I thought it was kinda odd, because I think she would tell me who she heard that from, I'm wondering if it was from a dream, or what?
Never ever underestimate what a four-year-old can pick up.

My daughter Grace at four was asking all kinds of deep philosophical questions about God and existence and these are not generally topics of conversation around our house. I can't remember anything specific that she said about God, although now I'm being kind of vigilent because she's now saying things like "God will get mad if you do that" which is totally not a message I am giving her or want her to have. She's six and to me it's obvious that she is getting this from other kids, who got it from their parents. The message in our house is that God loves everyone and He lives in our hearts. And he created the world through a process called 'evolution.'

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well i had a similar experience, i was very young and my grandpa worked at an auto plant...for some reason i could not help myself and i said "grampa, dont go when the lights dim" later that day, they noticed the oxygen light was very very dim, they opened the door and my grandpas friend walked in, and fell over, dead...the vents in the room were not working, so the furnace burnt all the oxygen so when he walked in it sucked the air out of his lungs or something, he barely made it past the doors threshold (this is what my grandpa says anyways)
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"Do you know what Jesus looks like?"
She said he has brown long hair.
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"Is Jesus happy?"
She said no, he's mad, LOL...I said why? She said, I dunno.
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"How do you feel about Jesus?"
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"Is he a nice man?"
Of course! I said why? She said, "he just is" and shrugged her shoulders. She doesn't seem to want to elaborate on these questions, I really want to know why she feels that he's mad but again she said, I dunno shrugged her shoulders and continued playing.lol
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Jesus is mad!?! Wow! Maybe I should pay him back for the five dollars he let me borrow.
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I'm curious to see how this develops. I want to know where your daughter's coming up with this stuff, as I'm sure you do too.
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I think asking some questions would be a good idea. Can you do me a favor? Ask her if Jesus is drinking tea with Muhammed by any chance?

Seriously though, she could be hearing this at school from a friend who is just hearing it at home from her parents... but if not, then that is some interesting stuff.

There were a lot of situations when I was younger when I could just sense when certain things were gonna happen.. I know these examples are gonna sound really stupid, but I'll share anyway.

I was at a coffee shop with my dad and brothers and after we received our order of sandwiches and drinks, my dad grabbed the tray with the food on it and all I could think was "He's gonna drop it":... I just knew it was gonna happen... and what happened? He definately dropped it... alllll over the place.

Another situation was when I was in Lebanon... my brother wanted to go to the pool hall and play a couple games... for some reason I didn't want him to go.. something in my mind was saying no... I actually begged him not to go, but he went anyway with my other older brother and I tagged a long. We got to the pool hall and I still had this bad feeling... we started playing and everything was all good. Suddenly some guy shows up and starts saying that he wants to play. He grabs a pool stick and constantly keeps telling my brother than he wanted to play... my brother and him were in a situation where they didn't understand eachother... one was speaking arabic and the other was speaking english. My brother tried to explain that he wanted to finish his game with me and my brother and then the guy could play as much as he wanted. The guy didn't like this too much and threw a punch at my brother. A fight broke out and the guy picked up a pool ball and whipped it at my bro... thank God my brother has good reflexes and he was able to duck out of the way... after the guy broke the windows with the pool balls he grabbed a pool stick to hit my bro with it, and thank God me and my other bro were there to grab the stick from him. My oldest bro got a hold of him and gave him a decent beating and then the owner came in and stopped the madness. So the bad feeling I was having was definately legitimate. So who wants to hear the best part of the story? We got home and explained the situation to our parents and relatives, and they were obviously worried. They told us to relax and go get ready because we had to go visit cousins of ours. We get to the house of our cousins... and guess who our second cousin was??? I hope you've been able to figure it out... the guy who whipped pool balls at my bro, and got slapped around by him after was our second cousin. We found out that he was on some kind of medication for his temper problems and some other medical issues he had, and everything was cool afterwards. We all made up, kissed on the cheek and chilled out for the rest of the night.

I know I've gone a little off topic... but the stories did have something to do with the thread. I guess I have to come to some sort of conclusion... which is now that I'm 21 I dont have these gut instincts anymore... but when I was younger I had a lot of them... there are some that I can't remember.. but I know it used to happen a lot.

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