My daughter's teacher is getting married...

[Watchmen]

Originally Posted by herushura

So whats the Problem

I didn't say there was a problem.

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Im rather sceptic about the teachers approach to announcing her marriage. That in my opinion, does not constitute a good lesson plan. There is a cirriculum...designed by people who know education (hopefully), and id require the teacher to stick to it. She could have used another example if she had to, and if it was within the boundaries of the cirriculum...but making this announcement in class could have been more like using it as a platform, and i wouldnt think that a third-grade class was the appropriate place to set up a platform for gay rights. Maybe that was not her intention..and maybe that is not what she did. It is legal to get drunk, should a teacher then tell the kids...im getting drunk tonight?


heneni

I dont compare a gay person getting married to promoting drunkeness to 3rd graders..

So if the teachers should "stick to curriculum" and not use the school as a platform then for instance a teacher that is having surgery should just "dissapear" and not tell the children..'Im havign surgery and I'll be back in X amount of days"...If they ask whre she was when she gets back she shoudl say..."this isn't teachers current health and surgery class get back to work!"...

A teacher shouldnt tell the children ..."Im going to have a baby" ...they should just walk around with a growing belly and if kids ask she should say.."stick to the curriculum this isn't pregnancy education class now DO YOUR MATH"...

Teachers share some of thier personal life with the children..Why is it a "negative" if its a teacher who is gay getting married??..Why is it compared to something harmful such as drunkenss???

Love

Dallas

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Im rather sceptic about the teachers approach to announcing her marriage. That in my opinion, does not constitute a good lesson plan. There is a cirriculum...designed by people who know education (hopefully), and id require the teacher to stick to it. She could have used another example if she had to, and if it was within the boundaries of the cirriculum...but making this announcement in class could have been more like using it as a platform, and i wouldnt think that a third-grade class was the appropriate place to set up a platform for gay rights.

It isn't "setting up a platform" for a teacher to tell her class that she's about to get married when her fiance is of the opposite sex, is it?

By the same token, it's not "setting up a platform" when a teacher about to enter into a same-sex marriage tells her class she'll be getting married.

I'm not sure what kind of school you went to, but I know from my time in public school all about things like:

- my 3rd grade teacher's dog (Biff the bulldog)
- the ethnicity of my 4th grade teacher's husband (Italian)
- my 6th grade French teacher's religion (Jewish)
- the profession of my 7th grade homeroom teacher's husband (magician)
- the sport my 7th grade writing teacher did in high school (gymnastics)
- my 8th grade French teacher's favourite flower (poppy)
- the job my 9th grade history teacher worked to pay for university (night club bouncer)
- the profession that my 9th grade shop teacher had before becoming a teacher (industrial electrician)

How is it out-of-keeping with all this for a child to know that her teacher is in a same-sex marriage? Stuff like that tends to come up in conversation.

[DallasApple]

Children aks teachers questions all the time ya'll...Personal questions..

Including "are you married"??(especially little girls)...

What if the teacher is divorced???

Should she say..."thats none of your business go ask your parents"...

Teachers have pictures of their loved ones on their desk as well...And children will ask about them..Should we ban teachers having photos just in case one might be gay???

What are people so afraid of???...What are you trying to hide and why???

If a gay woman teacher shouldnt be allowed to announce she is getting married ...then neither should a heterosexual woman...

Or ANYTHING else personal...

Otherwise its CLEAR descrimination..

Love

Dallas

[DallasApple]

Oh here is an example..

My now 12 year old...

His KINDERGARTEN teacher(a woman) that he was attached to(as well as all the other 5 and 6 year olds) got engaged..And was to be married..And was LEAVING midway through the year because he was military and I believe he was being moved and then deployed to (whatever war was going on about 6 or 7 years ago..cant remember anyymore)....

She talked to them at LENGHT..about it...She was going to be missed..And it was BECAUSE she chose to get married..It in fact was a concern of all the parents..Because we knew NOT how our kids would handle it ..and who the new teacher would be...

But the teacher was "marrying(a man)" and was going to follow her husband...

Should we have told her THIS is NO platform to encourage NOT only marriage..But a woman giving up her job and leaving the children that are attached to you in support of your husband...????

The children were a little sad and anxious..

I should have sued the school and the teacher for "teaching a life lesson" that had NOTHING to DO with the "set cirricullum"...

Oh and WORSE yet???

She came BACK to visit the students the next year in 1st grade(with her husband in uniform)..And said she was happy and that she was going to have a baby....

TOTALLY innapropriate use of a platform to demonstrate personal choices by that teacher..

Love

Dallas

[DallasApple]

The more APPROPRIATE way for my sons teacher to have handled it??/

Was to just have not shown up after Christmas break and a new teacher could be sitting there..

And when the children asked..."where is Miss Dunckle"...the new teacher should have responded..."well she is not here and this isnt the platform to explain why and DEFINATELY not part of the curriculum"...

Love

Dallas

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Oh here is an example..

My now 12 year old...

His KINDERGARTEN teacher(a woman) that he was attached to(as well as all the other 5 and 6 year olds) got engaged..And was to be married..And was LEAVING midway through the year because he was military and I believe he was being moved and then deployed to (whatever war was going on about 6 or 7 years ago..cant remember anyymore)....

She talked to them at LENGHT..about it...She was going to be missed..And it was BECAUSE she chose to get married..It in fact was a concern of all the parents..Because we knew NOT how our kids would handle it ..and who the new teacher would be...

But the teacher was "marrying(a man)" and was going to follow her husband...

Should we have told her THIS is NO platform to encourage NOT only marriage..But a woman giving up her job and leaving the children that are attached to you in support of your husband...????

Based on your description, it sounds like that may have crossed the line.

It may be because of my former pacifist leanings, but I also note a fair bit of pro-war (or at least pro-military) sentiment in what you describe. It seems like this is fairly common in the US to the point of it possibly not raising an eyebrow, but I know that to some people, the mere existence of a standing army is a point of moral contention, to say nothing of a "hooray, my husband is being deployed" message.

However (and again) is it really a fair parallel to the situation in the OP? Your scenario involved a deliberate (and IMO significant) attempt to introduce extra-curricular, potentially objectionable subject matter to a classroom. Hiding the fact that a teacher is entering into a same-sex marriage is just that: hiding. The extraordinary effort would be in keeping that from the kids, not in letting them know.

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Based on your description, it sounds like that may have crossed the line.

It may be because of my former pacifist leanings, but I also note a fair bit of pro-war (or at least pro-military) sentiment in what you describe. It seems like this is fairly common in the US to the point of it possibly not raising an eyebrow, but I know that to some people, the mere existence of a standing army is a point of moral contention, to say nothing of a "hooray, my husband is being deployed" message.

However (and again) is it really a fair parallel to the situation in the OP? Your scenario involved a deliberate (and IMO significant) attempt to introduce extra-curricular, potentially objectionable subject matter to a classroom. Hiding the fact that a teacher is entering into a same-sex marriage is just that: hiding. The extraordinary effort would be in keeping that from the kids, not in letting them know.

Right..

Why should others be able to be so "blatant' and "proud" ...Why others have to hide..

Love

Dallas

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Based on your description, it sounds like that may have crossed the line.

It may be because of my former pacifist leanings, but I also note a fair bit of pro-war (or at least pro-military) sentiment in what you describe. It seems like this is fairly common in the US to the point of it possibly not raising an eyebrow, but I know that to some people, the mere existence of a standing army is a point of moral contention, to say nothing of a "hooray, my husband is being deployed" message.

However (and again) is it really a fair parallel to the situation in the OP? Your scenario involved a deliberate (and IMO significant) attempt to introduce extra-