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Old 07-08-2010, 02:39 PM
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Seems to me the website DissentfromDarwin, which is owned and maintained by the Discovery Institute, is once again using dishonest tactics rather than presenting actual facts.
Well that's because you aren't wearing your creationist goggles, silly. Without them, you can actually see the evidence clearly, and make rational judgements on its validity.

You'll never get to Newhope's heaven that way.
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Old 07-08-2010, 02:41 PM
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How best to argue against creationists? Here's a tip.

1. Don't make out there is no controversy or conflicting data. Look up "Survival of the fakest" "DecentfromDarwin.org"...and there's heaps more. There are plenty of credible evolutionary supportive scientists that have concerns. They believe it will be sorted one day but attest at the moment there is much controvery. If you only accept the research that supports evolution your scientific stance is no better than a creationist. Denying the controversy and conflicting data does not mean it's not out there...it just makes you guys and gals look silly.
I'm sorry newhope but both of these are just more creationist misinformation designed to dupe the public.
blindly accepting something because it appeals to you does not make the other side look silly.

The "decent from Darwin" thing was purposefully worded to be misleading. Modern evolutionary theory does not rest on Darwin's work alone... after several people found out what the list was actually about they requested their names removed... it is widely regarded as a bit of a joke and as such Project Steve was formed to counter the misinformation of "decent from Darwin".
here are some other more thorough thoughts on the subject: Dissenting from Darwinism : Stranger Fruit
Project Steve | NCSE

Well has been dealt with numerous times he uses the same disproved junk over and over. (including twisting peoples words and outright misrepresenting what they say and example:
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Creationists such as Jonathan Wells claim that my criticism of these experiements casts strong doubt on Darwinism. But this characterization is false. ... My call for additional research on the moths has been wrongly characterized by creationists as revealing some fatal flaw in the theory of evolution. ... It is a classic creationist tactic (as exemplified in Wells's book, "Icons of Evolution") to assert that healthy scientific debate is really a sign that evolutionists are either committing fraud or buttressing a crumbling theory.
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Here are some more critiques of Wells' work.
Icons of Evolution? | NCSE
Jonathan Wells - Icons of Evolution - Review by M. Pigliucci

Yes, there are aspects of evolutionary theory that are still being debated (such as punctuated vs slow emergence of species) ... but there is no scientific debate as to the factual existence of evolution. There is no research to support Intelligent Design or any other aspect of Creationism.
(sorry but opinion pieces do not count as research)

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ps.. see, this is what happens when I actually take time to dig around (and take care of my son)... I get scooped!
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Old 07-08-2010, 02:47 PM
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Nonsense.

Who could possibly scoop the vaunted Painted Wolf in a discussion of evolution?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:05 PM
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I wouldn't consider myself dogmatic. Quite the opposite. I was dogmatic a long time ago.
Everyone is dogmatic
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You can't proclaim something as absolutely true if there are predictions in it that haven't yet been fullfilled. You could only state honestly that "so far" it has been correct in any statement until now.
I would doubt that when it comes to the bible, but thats another thing.
I kinda did that didn't I?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:10 PM
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Now to work on making it a regular habit.

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Old 07-08-2010, 09:12 PM
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An honest liar?
Interesting.
Sincerely dishonest would be a better fit.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:12 PM
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Everyone is dogmatic
, said Danmac dogmatically.

So basically when you are at fault, you just accuse someone of the same fault to make yourself feel better? If everyone were dogmatic, the word would have no meaning.

Here's my current question for you, Danmac (and wouldn't it be refreshing if you had the courtesy to just answer it) are you going to persist in dishonestly claiming that the evidence does not support ToE, after refusing to look at the evidence in question, or are you going to change your lyin' ways and, in future, admit that you refuse to consider the evidence due to your dogmatic, Bible-based opposition to it?
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Sincerely dishonest would be a better fit.
Good to know. And so we all learn the precise value of a conversation with this poster.

Is the term "honest creationist" an oxymoron?
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Danmac: Does your religion permit lying? Or is it a sin?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:27 PM
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So you now speak for the atheist community?
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It's not based on the evidence.
Sure it is. It is the interpretation of said evidence that is in question. Call me a dissenter.
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He will maintain it despite the evidence.
You mean in light of the evidence. It is flawed hypotheses that I dispute
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It is not subject to change, regardless of the evidence.
Do you have new evidence you would like to present to dispute creationism?
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He has not reviewed the evidence.
Monkey bones do not interest me.
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He does not want to learn about the evidence.
Not from biased teachers.
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He will continue to maintain that the evidence does not exist.
Kinda like your opinion of God.
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Does that about sum it up?
Just about
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