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Old 07-17-2009, 08:26 AM
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Evolution is just like physics or chemistry, its a done deal.

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Old 07-17-2009, 10:00 AM
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ok guys i will be honest, i am trying to dissprove evolution, this theory anyway. i'm not an evolutionist and as long as there are evidences against it, i'm not going to become an evolutionist.

so is anyone of you now willing to effend evolution or not? let me know. ok.
So is this your response after having read much of the material we provided you?
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Eselam asked for examples of fossils transitional between dinosaurs and birds. We gave him a bunch. He has no reason to doubt that's what they are. In fact, it's hard to deny that's clearly what they are, as they display features of both and in between. So are we done?
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ok guys i will be honest, i am trying to dissprove evolution, this theory anyway. i'm not an evolutionist and as long as there are evidences against it, i'm not going to become an evolutionist.
Thus lies your failure.
Rather than trying to "disprove" evolution, or "prove" creationism, you should just simply look at the facts and keep an open mind.
Your problem is that in your zeal for Islamic Creationism, you become skeptical of obvious truths. But you find "truth" in any psudoscientific counter argument to ToE.
Until you relieve yourself of your prejudices, you will never accept the obvious truths.
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Eselam asked for examples of fossils transitional between dinosaurs and birds. We gave him a bunch. He has no reason to doubt that's what they are. In fact, it's hard to deny that's clearly what they are, as they display features of both and in between. So are we done?
Not only that, he agreed that under "reptile to bird evolution" we would expect to find fossil specimens that show a mixture of reptilian and avian traits. He was given several examples of specimens that meet this criterion and numerous resources that describe the specimens and their characteristics.

Apparently, rather than directly address any of the specimens and describe in detail why he thinks they do or don't meet the criterion he agreed to, he chose to respond with what essentially amounts to, "I'm not approaching this openly and honestly, but am instead just looking for a reason to deny it".

IMO, his response also equates to, "Yeah...ok, there are fossil specimens that show a mixture of reptilian and avian traits, but I can't admit it, so I'll just blow it all off and hope you guys will forget it and follow me down my next rabbit trail."
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well a big part of that honesty is me asking you guys to post links and sources rather than me go to some fanatical creationist website and just post things here.
I can appreciate that... we should be able to show that we can support evolution with good evidence. I personally think most of the problem is that most people never get to see the evidence in their day to day lives... On both sides.
I'm lucky as a biologist to get to study this evidence and I feel it would be irresponsible of me to not share it when I can.

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I hope you will accept the same from me.

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Absolutely... and I hope it will be no insult for me to say... Peace be upon you.

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Evolution is just like physics or chemistry, its a done deal.

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BTW, thanks for giving me the idea....

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ok guys i will be honest, i am trying to dissprove evolution, this theory anyway. i'm not an evolutionist and as long as there are evidences against it, i'm not going to become an evolutionist.

so is anyone of you now willing to effend evolution or not? let me know. ok.
How about starting with the basics. Would you agree that biological evolution is the process by which the genetic structure of populations changes over time?
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How about starting with the basics. Would you agree that biological evolution is the process by which the genetic structure of populations changes over time?
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So eselam, now that you have been shown several examples of transitional forms between birds and dinosaurs, do you agree that the two groups are closely related?
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