Expelled

[Luminous]

This vid is kinda freaky, but watch it anyway.
YouTube - Ben Stein is EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Do you think you could pass a seventh grade level test on the Theory of Evolution, MH?

Having read Darwin's Origin of Species for the 1st time when i was 12 years old yes i know for a fact i could. i actually got much more out of it later in life.

Darwin even told his audience that his work was not completed, that he was forced to end his research for the book before it was complete. he also knew his work would also only be accepted posthumously.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

God damn it. How many types must we say it? That is NOT what "Scientific Theory" means! It's not "just a theory" or a guess or a hunch. It's not an antonym of fact. It doesn't mean the same thing as "theory" does in causal talk. Consider The Theory of Relativity or The Theory of Gravity, for example. A "theory" in the context of science is something that explains scientific observations and is falsifiable (which, by the way, Intelligent design is neither).

Seriously, dude.

Let's leave science for the schools, and creation for the churches.

Again, you clearly do not understand Intelligent Design ans you continue to categorize it as religious and adhereing to creationism. Which i reject creationism right along side the theory of evolution. I have never thought that God created the universe out of thin air, nor do i believe that God crated it in 144 hours.

get your own ideas of ID and creationism straight and then we can have an intellectual conversation regarding the subject of ID

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

... can have an intellectual conversation regarding the subject of ID

Uh, no - you can't. There is no intellectual discussion to be had. At least, no more so than one could hold an intellectual discussion on the subject of phrenology.

I would ask you a question, Madhatter. Have you ever even considered any of the arguments against ID?

To be honest, I don't think you have the courage to actually challenge your own beliefs, much less change them, but I am curious if you've even considered it.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by roli

What's your point !!!!!

I guess the birds of a feather......!

Please enlighten me Voice of Reason as to the evolutionary process mentioned in all or most texts books and is taught around the most Universities.

....I'm aware of the word Evolution and it's diverse meaning amongst people and that it is evolutionary or bilogical gene change in living organisms

But could you briefly share with me where you think life evolved from, since all things have a place of origin.

What's your view on the doc. expelled, is it a hoax as well in your opinion,end of story.

Interesting choice of words there. Can you tell God's place of origin?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Again, you clearly do not understand Intelligent Design ans you continue to categorize it as religious and adhereing to creationism. Which i reject creationism right along side the theory of evolution. I have never thought that God created the universe out of thin air, nor do i believe that God crated it in 144 hours.

get your own ideas of ID and creationism straight and then we can have an intellectual conversation regarding the subject of ID

Sorry, you're mistaken. ID is creationism lying, and trying to pretend its science. Dover v. Kitzmiller. Not YEC, necessarily, but creationism nonetheless.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Having read Darwin's Origin of Species for the 1st time when i was 12 years old yes i know for a fact i could. i actually got much more out of it later in life.

Which edition did you read? Just curious.

Darwin even told his audience that his work was not completed, that he was forced to end his research for the book before it was complete. he also knew his work would also only be accepted posthumously.

And this is relevant...how?

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

Uh, no - you can't. There is no intellectual discussion to be had. At least, no more so than one could hold an intellectual discussion on the subject of phrenology.

I would ask you a question, Madhatter. Have you ever even considered any of the arguments against ID?

To be honest, I don't think you have the courage to actually challenge your own beliefs, much less change them, but I am curious if you've even considered it.

of course i have, but i have yet to find a single compelling argument against it.