Expelled

[Women_Of_Reason]

Originally Posted by roli

Let me ask you a question, Do you believe in the probability that scientific professionals such as those... hypothetically exposed in the doc. expelled, are actually facing intimidating pressure from peers or superiors to not mention ID, Creationism, or anything pertaining to a creator for fear of their papers,grants lectures etc would be threaten.
Have you ever heard such things in your vast expereince.

I sure hope that they get intimidated, they should chuckle in fear. If a scientist wants to teach non-science as if it was science: Expelled they should and must be. It as nothing to do with the teacher`s freedom of speech but every thing to do with the student`s freedom of getting a good education.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by challupa

I honestly cannot understand why people who believe in God cannot also believe in evolution. Why is it such a problem? Can anyone explain that to me?

Good point, the concept of god and evolution are NOT mutually exclusive. Fundamentalists reject it because science isn't compatible with a literal interpretation of the bible.

[roli]

Originally Posted by challupa

I honestly cannot understand why people who believe in God cannot also believe in evolution. Why is it such a problem? Can anyone explain that to me?

There is, as I have freely confessed many times in the past," evolutionary change ",if you want to call it that, in the species.

It does'nt take a rocket scientist to comprehend that people change, size, colour, and other physical features...a no brainer!
With me.. it's always what is not being said in this forum concerning evolution, as if there is only one type of evolution theory to define and defend and exclude the evolution that opposses creation.
Is evolution an expression of science in action ..absolutely I see that.
Listen chip, the evolution theory everyone beats here as they do a dead horse is clearly understood on this end. We evolved from common ancestors, we have some common characteristics etc...I get it.

I am a theist and accept what is being clearly defined in this forum as the ET

But there is I believe an underlying unspoken evolution theory belief that is out to totally eradicate the very mention of creation and label such positions as outlandish.

I believe scientists when confronting the complex DNA structure for example are stuck with the proverbial elephant in the room syndrome.
It takes up enormous space,bumps around, trumpets loudly, smells and yet it must be isisted it's not there.
That's what i think takes place in the back minds of some very influential thinking minds, but to speak of such a things ...is taboo.

[roli]

Originally Posted by Women_Of_Reason

I sure hope that they get intimidated, they should chuckle in fear. If a scientist wants to teach non-science as if it was science: Expelled they should and must be. It as nothing to do with the teacher`s freedom of speech but every thing to do with the student`s freedom of getting a good education.

Are you saying that every word ,thought and contemplation must be based on logic ,scientific fact or else it's unfounded...how sad for you..especially when we live much or most of our lives on the faith factor..or for you the term "assumption" might be better understood.. the faith word is a taboo word in today's secular humanistic society,so let's pretend it's not what we actually function on the better part of our lives.
Oh ya!.....theories are always good teaching material,... the gaps leave you guessing to fill in the blanks with your own beliefs, much like they say about christianity.

[Women_Of_Reason]

Originally Posted by roli

Are you saying that every word ,thought and contemplation must be based on logic ,scientific fact or else it's unfounded...how sad for you..especially when we live much or most of our lives on the faith factor..or for you the term "assumption" might be better understood.. the faith word is a taboo word in today's secular humanistic society,so let's pretend it's not what we actually function on the better part of our lives.
Oh ya!.....theories are always good teaching material,... the gaps leave you guessing to fill in the blanks with your own beliefs, much like they say about christianity.

If you want to teach science, yes it as to be based on logic ,scientific fact or else it's not science.

Perhaps you want teachers to teach numerology in maths class as well.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by roli

Oh man!!!!, what must I be thinking , I guess the age old arguement of evolution and creation rests solely in your definition of it... that's all there is to it

It's not my definition, roli, it's the scientific definition.

In biology, evolution is the process of change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next.

wiki

It must be quite the feeling to be you, as you seem to have all the answers.

I do my best.

I do however appreciate your advocacy for the defense of evolutionism, but I'm not talking about the adaptation within species, nor am I talking about mutation.
but the one in which you very well know I refer to and have always referred to, but let me for the 1000th time refer to it,Darwinsim and his "Origin OF Species...thus the word Origin..thus the arguement that has taken place for years.

You know the one that states living came from non living.

This is not Darwin's theory. You have no idea what Darwin's theory was. And by the way, we've made a lot of progress in the last 100 years. If you think that Darwin stated that living came from non-living, please cite the work in which he made such a statement. btw, roli, when you make such inaccurate statements, you destroy your own credibility. I highly recommend learning what the theory of evolution actually says. Or do you find it easier to disagree with it if you don't understand it. Here's a radical suggestion: try a book. I can recommend several.

This is not the question anyways.

Let's discuss the points that "Expelled" exposes and not split hairs and re-route this
into your glory moment.

You discuss what you want; I'll discuss what I want.

Before you attempt to speak for these biologists and leading professionals that were interviewed and presume you know all their alterior motives for which they speak of,...watch expelled again and open your mind to the possibility that maybe they are legit and truly exposed.

What biologists?

It's happening in the west for your information, children can't mention the word Jesus or even pray in American schools with attempting to be silenced by certain groups.

Really? Cite a single case. btw, what on earth does this have to do with evolution?

Which by the way are defended by certain christian lawyers who hush these anti christian groups with ease.

Really? Cite such a case. I'm fascinated to learn more about it.

But this is'nt happening here in the West.

What are you talking about?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by roli

Please enlighten me Voice of Reason as to the evolutionary process mentioned in all or most texts books and is taught around the most Universities.

I would be happy to, if you promise to stay around, read my posts, and respond.

....I'm aware of the word Evolution and it's diverse meaning amongst people and that it is evolutionary or bilogical gene change in living organisms

Then why do you keep talking about the origin of life? Are you trying to mislead us?

But could you briefly share with me where you think life evolved from, since all things have a place of origin.

No idea.

What's your view on the doc. expelled, is it a hoax as well in your opinion,end of story.

Is what hoax or opinion?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by roli

Let me ask you a question, Do you believe in the probability that scientific professionals such as those... hypothetically exposed in the doc. expelled, are actually facing intimidating pressure from peers or superiors to not mention ID, Creationism, or anything pertaining to a creator for fear of their papers,grants lectures etc would be threaten.
Have you ever heard such things in your vast expereince.

roli: ID is not science. Anyone who tries to advance it as such should be expelled--and fired. So yes, I'm certainly open to believing that they have been. By the same token, a geography professor who held forth about a flat earth would not deserve a position at a respectable university. Get it? They can believe in God all they want, and most Biologists do. They just can't try to teach that science proves it.