Expelled

[Women_Of_Reason]

The origin of species. Not the origin of life. You should try to read it. Nowhere in there is it said that life came from non life.

[roli]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

roli: I realize that neither thinking or expressing yourself are you strong points, but if I understand you correctly, you ask us to name something that people designed but that evolved on its own? Is that right? Can you see the problem(s) with that? Try really hard.

ouch!!!! being right in your own mind degrading us "non thinkers" is no indication of being a higher thinker.It seems to only prove the threat we Christians have on you, what if your wrong, could it possibly be.
Shame on you for your insults, but bravo in the eyes of your peers!!..I suppose.

That's right, I'm just a little guy..... with no thinking mind or ability to do so, Why ,because I have a revelation of God, believe in intelligent design, is that what makes you feel more intelligent, oh, maybe you know a little more science then I, but there are those with higher credentials then you who question the very thing you so proudly defend.
Have you ever considered that your knoweldge is limited if solely based on the things of this world, which by the way are passing away as we speak and therefore your knowlwdge, in light of eternity actually amounts to absolutely "zero" that is when it comes to God.
I know ...everyone outside your camp of thinking is less then you because of such beliefs.How empowering !!!!

Maybe it's you that is outside the realm of revelation of God and thus all creation, science and knowledge.
Maybe it's right under your nose, that in your self profession of wisdom and knowledge, you in fact are truly ignorant of the most profound discoveries known to man, which is Christ in man.

So could God exist outside your world and if so does he truly reveal himself only to those he says, truly seek him.How would you ever know? Is there a remote chance.


To rule it out you would have to be omiscient. but we both know you have maybe ,for arguement sake,1/1000000000000000 of all the knowledge in the world and are therfore incapable of knowing and so I ,being a believer am a few 00000's behind you, but how liberating to know God and his plan for my life and future

[The Voice of Reason]

A fine rant, Roli. Totally misguided, and completely bereft of a valid point - but a fine rant, nonetheless.

You do your God proud.

[Women_Of_Reason]

amen to that

[roli]

Originally Posted by Women_Of_Reason

The origin of species. Not the origin of life. You should try to read it. Nowhere in there is it said that life came from non life.

Species ( man,animal ,reptile,birds etc = life( quite possibly exists within....let me see, species) I could be wrong ,going out on a limb here

[lunamoth]

If he so chose, the God whose presence is taught by most Western religions could have fashioned anything, ourselves included, ex nihilo, from his wish alone. In our childhood as a species, that might have been the only way in which we could imagine the fulfillment of a divine will. But we've grown up, and something remarkable has happened: we have begun to understand the physical basis of life itself. If a string of constant miracles were needed for each turn of the cell cycle or each flicker of a cilium, the hand of God would be written directly into every living thing - his presence at the edge of the human sandbox would be unmistakable. Such findings might confirm our faith, but they would also undermine our independence. How could we fairly choose between God and man when the presence and the power of the divine so obviously and so literally controlled our every breath? Our freedom as his creatures requires a little space and integrity. In the material world, it requires self-sufficiency and consistency with the laws of nature.

Evolution is neither more nor less than the result of respecting the reality and consistency of the physical world over time. To fashion material beings with an independent physical existence, any Creator would have had to produce an independent material universe in which our evolution over time was a contingent possibility. A believer in the divine accepts that God's love and gift of freedom are genuine - so genuine that they include the power to choose evil and, if we wish, to freely send ourselves to Hell. Not all believers will accept the stark conditions of that bargain, but our freedom to act has to have a physical and biological basis. Evolution and its sister sciences of genetics and molecular biology provide that basis. In biological terms, evolution is the only way a Creator could have made us the creatures we are - free beings in a world of authentic and meaningful moral and spiritual choices.

Those who ask from science a final argument, an ultimate proof, an unassailable position from which the issue of God may be decided will always be disappointed. As a scientist I claim no new proofs, no revolutionary data, no stunning insight into nature that can tip the balance in one direction or another. But I do claim that to a believer, even in the most traditional sense, evolutionary biology is not at all the obstacle we often believe it to be. In many respects, evolution is the key to understanding our relationship with God.

From: Finding Darwin's God

[roli]

Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

A fine rant, Roli. Totally misguided, and completely bereft of a valid point - but a fine rant, nonetheless.

You do your God proud.

What's your point !!!!!

I guess the birds of a feather......!

Please enlighten me Voice of Reason as to the evolutionary process mentioned in all or most texts books and is taught around the most Universities.

....I'm aware of the word Evolution and it's diverse meaning amongst people and that it is evolutionary or bilogical gene change in living organisms

But could you briefly share with me where you think life evolved from, since all things have a place of origin.

What's your view on the doc. expelled, is it a hoax as well in your opinion,end of story.

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by roli

because I have a revelation of God, believe in intelligent design,

That is just fine. You may find this hard to believe roli, but I respect your religious beliefs, your revelations, and your right to believe anything that you want. But you also must understand that none of this is scientific. You can’t go to a scientific conference, present a new theory, and then back it up with a “revelation of God”. You can’t publish a paper in a scientific journal and cite a “revelation of God” as your evidence. Please tell me that you can understand that at least.

[doppelgänger]

I'm an advocate for intelligent design, myself. The intelligence involved is quite a bit more mundane than the superstition of the dogmatically-themed creationism parroted by religious literalists though. And my version of ID has the added of advantage of being grounded in scientific method. Indeed, it's a logical extension of the method.