Creating New Form of Life

[Heneni]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

I find it funny that you would distort science with such ignorant abandon.

I find it funny that you are only able to see my ignorance without any ability to see your own.

[Heneni]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Is a corpse "lifeless"?

I think you have missed my point.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Heneni

I think you have missed my point.

What is the point, then? A corpse is genetic material that can strictly be considered lifeless. Such a thing exists.

[little_monkey]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

Natural law does not "govern," it describes. It's a distinction you trivialize, but your narratives persistently promote "natural law" to something more than verifiable descriptions of regularities.

When you ignore half of my post, you will come to that conclusion. Read my post again, from the beginning. Try to understand the point that knowledge gives you power. "Knowing" in whatever sense you fancy to describe, without the knowledge we gain in understanding the laws of gravity, we would never do what we are doing right now in space .Similarly, knowing the laws of how life can form will give untold powers.

But besides that, the gist of my initial post, which you have blurred with unnecessary side issues, is that once those laws are known, the idea -- that there is an entity called God in order to create life -- becomes superfluous.

[Heneni]

Originally Posted by Willamena

What is the point, then? A corpse is genetic material that can strictly be considered lifeless. Such a thing exists.

Read the article. This is about creating a NEW life form. (not whether dead people have life) To do that he uses genetic material. Genetic material that have the codes to 'allow' reproduction.

(Come to think of it, some dead people donate their organs)

[little_monkey]

Hmm... "laws of nature" is a set of words, and "an entity called God" is another set of words. So tell me why would the first set of words have no effect on the second set of words???

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by little_monkey

But besides that, the gist of my initial post, which you have blurred with unnecessary side issues, is that once those laws are known, the idea -- that there is an entity called God in order to create life -- becomes superfluous.

No, it does not, but feel free to believe so if you find it comforting.

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by little_monkey

If life can be produced in a lab according to natural laws, it certainly can arise in nature under natural laws.

What would be an unnatural law?

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by little_monkey

True, but it is with these experiments that we will eventually discover the natural laws that exist out there which allows life to emerge from non-living thing.

Really? Maybe the experiments might end up showing that abiogenesis was in fact not possible without intelligent intervention within the (estimated) finite constraints available in the field (not the lab) way back when.

Of-course I'm speaking rhetorically, because unfortunately that word 'estimated' is the killer. We'll never be able to say with certainty what happened either way. The best you can hope for is to show what may have happened, not what actually happened.

Originally Posted by little_monkey

Once this is desmonstrable, meaning if it happened on this planet then it can happen anywhere in the universe, then the hypothesis of a creator to upstart life becomes superfluous.

You forgot to account for the sophisticated building blocks that precede abiogenesis, and so on and so forth. Certainly old earth creationist/theistic evolutionists would see such a result as a feather in their cap in the ongoing debate with the young earth creationists/literalists. On the other hand the YECers will say that we don't know what kind of original cell was required. It's not even close to being enough to end creationism as we know it.

Originally Posted by little_monkey

Life, like gravity, is then just a series of events following natural laws.

Until a free moral agent consciously and deliberately ends another life..........

Hmmm KFC time