Has anyone read a good Thiestic Evolution book?

[Arlanbb]

I FOUND IT ON GOOGLE ~ WITHIN THE CREATION DEBATE IN THE THEOLOGICAL AND SCIENITIFIC MIDDLE GROUND IS THEISTIC EVELUTION. THERE WAS OVER 232,000 REF. sOME MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THEISTICEVELUTION.ORG TO CHECK IT OUT. ARLAN

[Seyorni]

I don't understand what the point of the "theistic" is either. If you want to understand evolution there's plenty of introductory literature out there, I don't quite see how theistic would clarify anything.

If you wanted to understand auto mechanics, tennis, coal mining or fly tying, would you look for theistic books on these subjects?
My point is, I don't understand how theology figures into auto mechanics or evolution. Trying to tie God into valve timing seems like a good way to muddle a pretty straightforeward mechanism.

[Arlanbb]

I found THEISTICEVELUTION.ORG quit interesting. They list a few books for reading on the subject.

SEYORNI - There is a lot of differenct between 'evelution' and 'theistic evelution'. Look it up you might learn something I know I sure did. arlan

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Arlanbb

I found THEISTICEVELUTION.ORG quit interesting. They list a few books for reading on the subject.

SEYORNI - There is a lot of differenct between 'evelution' and 'theistic evelution'. Look it up you might learn something I know I sure did. arlan

Evolution is a science, theistic evolution is a metaphysical interpretation of that science. In other words it is a belief system that extends beyond the limits of science.

I don’t mean to imply that there is anything wrong with doing this. As longs as theistic evolution is not presented as something that has been scientifically substantiated. There is no scientific evidence for theistic involvement in evolution, or in any other biological or natural process known to science. But there is also no evidence against it. Theistic evolution is not a scientific position.

But I also have to say that it is a valid reasonable position to take. There are a number of very intelligent people whom I have a great deal of respect for who have taken this position (although they have not been able to convince me).

Incidentally what I have said here about theistic evolution also applies to “atheistic evolution”. The theory of evolution is not atheistic, no more than any other scientific theory is (and no more than auto mechanics is). Anyone who claims that evolution is atheistic does not understand the difference between science and metaphysics.

[Arlanbb]

FANTOME ~ You hit it right on the button. If a person believes that God is incharge of the universe and is doing his thing, what ever it is, so therefor God has to have a handle in all that goes on in earth in all its pass. The evidence of evelution is there so maybe the reason there are gaps in it is because God did the changing from one species to another and if so we have THEISTIC EVELUTION?? IMHO arlan

[tomspug]

I'm currently reading The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel... I'm not very far into it, but it seems to explore the validity of ID beliefs. I was hoping for more information on a theistic perspective on evolution, but I don't think I'm far enough into it.

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Arlanbb

FANTOME ~ You hit it right on the button. If a person believes that God is incharge of the universe and is doing his thing, what ever it is, so therefor God has to have a handle in all that goes on in earth in all its pass. The evidence of evelution is there so maybe the reason there are gaps in it is because God did the changing from one species to another and if so we have THEISTIC EVELUTION?? IMHO arlan

As I have said although I don’t personally subscribe to the idea of theistic evolution I do consider it a valid position worthy of respect. However the idea that you are expressing here is something quite different.

What you are talking about is the “God or the Gaps” theology, not theistic evolution. And unlike theistic evolution I don’t have any respect for “God of the Gaps” thinking. It is a very shallow and weak theology. What you end up doing if you follow this line of thinking is either force “God” into smaller and smaller spaces as scientific understanding increases, or you end up struggling to preserve scientific ignorance in order to protect your “God”. I seriously recommend you reconsider this kind of theological approach

[Arlanbb]

FANTOME ~ No I'm not talking about the Gap theory. The Gap theory has to do with things that happened before the biblical creation, between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. I contend that the biblical creation and deluge stories never happened [ because of all the archaeological evidence against them happening]and that God had a hand in everything that has happened over the millions of years the earth has been around. Satan has nothing to do with any of it. That is what I call Theistic Evolution. God making the world through evolution. arlan

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Arlanbb

FANTOME ~ No I'm not talking about the Gap theory. The Gap theory has to do with things that happened before the biblical creation, between Gen 1:1 and 1:2.

No, I’m not talking about “Gap theory” either. What I am talking about has nothing to do with Genesis or the amount of time. I am talking about “God of the Gaps”. Please go back and read my post again, because clearly you didn’t understand a thing I said.

Do a search on the phrase “God of the Gaps” in quotes and take a look at the kind of information you get. Not “Gap theory”, not “Theistic Evolution” – “God of the Gaps”.

[Arlanbb]

FANTOME ~ From Wikipedia = "The God of the gaps position is that anything that can be explained by human knowledge is not in the domain of God"

That is NOT what I said - please reread what I said in my thread # 18. With my Theistic Evolution human knowledge has NO play on the outcome of anything God has done. If humans have figured out how God did something, that's fine, but many time, like in the past, what we think today is God's truth tomorow the scientist sometimes change their minds with a new theory. arlan