Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Religious Topics / Religious Debates / Evolution Vs. Creationism
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-22-2008, 01:43 PM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Online!
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,361
Frubals: 3105380
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default On the failure to find God's fingerprints ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalonyx View Post
The science of evolution is quite incompatible with the existence of an intervening creator god, ...
What caused the advent of bipedalism?
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-22-2008, 02:00 PM
Scuba Pete's Avatar
Scuba Pete Offline
Religion: Christian. That's all.
Title:Militant Theist
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: Prolific Poster Award Humor Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Altamonte Springs,Fl
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,014
Frubals: 2249902
Scuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal Whore
Scuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal Whore
Scuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal WhoreScuba Pete is a Frubal Whore
Default

Well Jay,

who can say WHAT or WHO caused the advent of bipedalism. I do know that I believe in evolution and God and find them congruous to the extreme.
__________________
On sabbatical until things become fun again.
Reach me at NetDoc@ScubaBoard.com
or on www.ScubaBoard.com.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-22-2008, 02:36 PM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Online!
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,361
Frubals: 3105380
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba Pete View Post
Well Jay,

who can say WHAT or WHO caused the advent of bipedalism?
Apparently crystalonyx.
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-23-2008, 04:48 AM
niceguy's Avatar
niceguy Offline
Religion: don't know
Title:Sophmore Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sweden
Gender: Male
Posts: 250
Frubals: 5661
niceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really niceniceguy is just really nice
Default

I believe in evolution so this is my suggestion.

Standing up give you a better view of your surroundings. This will make it easier for you to survive since you can better see dangers and food and it gives you a better reach. You are more likely to pass on your genes. At some point your decedents have become a new species where everybody can stand up. Then some mutation occurs that allow an individual to carefully move while standing up (like a bear can do) thou it's unpractical for any longer distances. Over the generations this evolves to actual walking on two feets commonly seen in apes, thou they still prefer to run on all four. At some point we just prefer to be upright even when running, like us humans, especially since it gives us two free hands to operate (and carry) tools with.
__________________
The Big Bang are just one of the many tools in the creators toolbox.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-23-2008, 05:18 AM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Online!
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,361
Frubals: 3105380
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by niceguy View Post
I believe in evolution ...
As do I.

Quote:
Originally Posted by niceguy View Post
Standing up give you a better view of your surroundings. ... Then some mutation occurs that allow an individual to carefully move while standing up (like a bear can do) though it's unpractical for any longer distances.
And the bear, which has been around considerably longer than hominids, continues to walk on all fours.

The question, however, is not the relative advantages of bipedalism but, rather, how it came to be an option in the first place. To select for a trait it must first exist within the population. So, what caused the advent of bipedalism?
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-23-2008, 05:28 AM
kai's Avatar
kai Offline
Religion: the Mundane
Title:Ha ha ha
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: the cuckoos nest
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,953
Frubals: 1642676
kai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whore
kai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whore
kai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whorekai is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule View Post
As do I.

And the bear, which has been around considerably longer than hominids, continues to walk on all fours.

The question, however, is not the relative advantages of bipedalism but, rather, how it came to be an option in the first place. To select for a trait it must first exist within the population. So, what caused the advent of bipedalism?

maybe our thumbs ?
__________________
"what we need here is a little less god and a little more humanity"
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-23-2008, 04:17 PM
painted wolf's Avatar
painted wolf Offline
Religion: Native American
Title:Uber Member
Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: NH, USA
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,812
Frubals: 1333500
painted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whore
painted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whore
painted wolf is a Frubal Whorepainted wolf is a Frubal Whore
Default

It's an extension of the ability to climb. Our earliest hominid ancestors 'walked' along branches (like many tree dwelling apes do today). In the open woodlands that our lineage specialized in, being able to move from one group of trees to another swiftly and safely was selected for.
Those individuals who walked upright could spot danger as well as being able to carry items and move with ease.
(we are built to run, though few of us ever do anymore. )

The more interesting question is why didn't the other ground dwelling apes become more bipedal? It may have to do with sexual competition... That is males with larger stronger upper bodies are more fit when it comes to fighting for a mate. Short legs provide better leverage/lower center of gravity.
Knuckle walking may prevent stress on the wrist that flat palm walking would not.
Environment may also play a key role... in the deep forests standing upright doesn't aid in spotting predators as looking over the grass does. Having a shorter stature however allows you to move more swiftly through the bushes.

As for bears, they spend little of their time on two legs. Mostly for observance and threat/conflict.
They have massive forelimbs for digging and as use as primary weapons. (like the apes they have a low center of gravity to aid in shoving contests)

Just a few thoughts.

wa:do
__________________
mispellers of the world 'untie'!
wa:do Cherokee for 'thank you'
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-23-2008, 05:07 PM
oldcajun's Avatar
oldcajun Offline
Title:__BE REAL
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 202
Frubals: 38279
oldcajun has much to be proud of
oldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud of
Default

<<On the failure to find God's fingerprints ...>>

Do you really think they've searched for "God's fingerprints"? I don't think so.
__________________
"The thing formed says that nothing formed it; and that which is made is, while that which made it is not! The folly is infinite."...Jeremy Taylor
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-23-2008, 08:34 PM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Online!
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,361
Frubals: 3105380
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by painted wolf View Post
It's an extension of the ability to climb. Our earliest hominid ancestors 'walked' along branches (like many tree dwelling apes do today).
That's what the study of orangutans suggests. Now, yet again, what caused the advent of bipedalism?
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Online!
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,361
Frubals: 3105380
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore