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[Tau]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

yes... they are.

otherwise they wouldn't be animals... and they wouldn't have an immune response.

wa:do

They are single celled symbiotic animals collectively called sponges and corals etc...

Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it, lets never speak of it again...

[painted wolf]

a botanist friend just told me, is that good enough PW?

no... a botanist is not a biologist.
No biologist will tell you they are not multicellular.

wa:do

[painted wolf]

if you want to be happy being wrong that is up to you.

wa:do

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by Tau

Animal comes from the word Animate, to move, a sponge although non photosynthesising should not be called an animal.

Just did a little Google search on sponges and came across this at the UNC web site.

In the 1980s, a UNC Biology graduate student, Cal Bond (now a Professor at Greensboro Univ.) working with me, discovered three more facts about sponges:
i) Sponges slowly crawl from place to place, instead of being sessile

[Tau]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

if you want to be happy being wrong that is up to you.

wa:do

Do you think I actually care what you presume?

There is more to life than point scoring in arguments, I was just having fun with you, enjoying your ego trip.

No truly multicellular animal can be dried out and put through a sieve and then be expected to re combine, you know that a sponge is not a true multicellular animal.
It's a transitionary lifeform, a collective or proto multicellular animal, its ancestors the ancestor of all multicellular life forms.

'Sponges are among the simplest animals. They lack gastrulated embryos, extracellular digestive cavities, nerves, muscles, tissues, and obvious sensory structures, features possessed by all other animals. In addition, sponge choanocytes (feeding cells) appear to be a homologous to choanoflagellates, a group of unicellular and colonial protists that are believed to be the immediate precursors of animals. The traditional conclusion is that sponges are the basal lineage of the animals, and that features such as tissues developed after sponges and other animals diverged. Sponges were first assigned their own subkingdom, the Parazoa, but more recent molecular studies suggested that the sponges were paraphyletic to other animals, with the eumetazoa as a sister group to the most derived'

[Tau]

Originally Posted by camanintx

Just did a little Google search on sponges and came across this at the UNC web site.

Aha...then I take it back, new information added, some sponges do in fact move, thus they are in my mind true animals.

Well sort of, they still are not true multicellular animals.

Sorted.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

Sponges are true animals... multicellular animals. (all animals are multicellular)

All animals are multicellular?

That is strange coming from such a fine biologist.
Ever heard of a Protist called the Amoeba?
Its a single celled animal.

But hey what do I a mere Chemist know eh?

Nevermind Painted Wolf, I won't hold it against you.

BTW I never ever said Sponges were NOT animals, I had only ever said they SHOULD be re classified to a seperate phylum, but genetic considerations class Sponges with all other animals, I merely suggested a new phylum, inanimalia perhaps, containing sedentary proto multicellular animals that lack tissues ie protozoans, and perhaps even fungi, I am not a taxonomist though or even a biologist so who really cares what I think?

But you labelled me idiotic and thick headed etc...took every oppurtunity to be rude and concieted, the tell tale signs of someone with low self esteem, projecting it on others, well done.

Instead of encouraging an interest in biology you have merely attacked with full gusto, not good for the greater good, not much of an example is it?

Chemists are much nicer folks, the cocktail of acid, solvent and reagent fumes I try hard not to inhale daily can have that effect...

[painted wolf]

Ameba are protazoans NOT ANIMALS!

please try to do some basic research... even google will do..

However, protozoans are neither Animalia nor Metazoa

Protozoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wa:do

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Tau

They are single celled symbiotic animals collectively called sponges and corals etc...

Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it, lets never speak of it again...

I have to say, I agree with both of you.

I would say sponges represent a transitional form between single cell colonies and true multi-cellular life. Anything that you can force through sieve that can re