Expelled Exposed! (reject, Creator, Darwin, Earth, beliefs)

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by ogmios

Let us use our simple minds to work something out. I came from a mum and a dad, you all came from mum's and dads, or simplified a sperm and an egg. Where did your parents come from? and their parents? and their parents. Now use this simple arithmetic formula and go backwards, bear this in mind the worlds population is increasing right; so as we go back in time what do you think would happen, the population would decrease, no. We always come back to two, you came from two and so did your parents and so on and so on. Adam and Eve,the very first humans made in God's own image is where we all came from. Where did we get different kinds of people from? Genesis tells us that God was upset with mankind because they were always fighting and so he changed the colour of their skin and the language that they spoke so that if they could not recognise or understand one another they could not argue. God then sent each tribe off with their own set of rules, these make up all the different religious/belief systems we now have here on earth. It is that simple, why we choose to complicate the issue has always been beyond me???
If you doubt the creation theory then you must not have faith, I tell you it is no longer a matter of faith in God, but it is a matter of FACT that God is real and exists in every fibre of every living thing that is on this earth and in the universe for that matter. I have PROOF. As a newbie I cannot post links but you can find the link to my blog through my profile. Check it out, you thirst for knowledge and truth, God gives it to the world.

Fact 1) There are many people, practically more than a billion, who are people of religious faith but do not believe in the Genesis story.

Fact 2) Your population conundrum is mathematically incomplete. It is proof of nothing.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think that the ID that includes things like "irreducible complexity" and the idea that evolution could not physically happen without the direct intervention of God shows a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution and of biology, and therefore directly relates to the ability of a biology professor to do his or her job.

I think that a biology professor losing tenure for promoting ID would be just as justified as a history professor losing tenure for denying the holocaust. Both positions may come from personal opinions that aren't strictly related to the job at hand, but both demonstrate that the supposed expert does not have the requisite knowledge and understanding of their subject matter required for the job.

[robtex]

who here has seen the movie and did you feel it was an authentic plea or propaganda oriented? Which ever one you chose could you please qualify your decision?

[ogmios]

Originally Posted by gnomon

Fact 1) There are many people, practically more than a billion, who are people of religious faith but do not believe in the Genesis story.

Fact 2) Your population conundrum is mathematically incomplete. It is proof of nothing.

1)Whether the billions believe or not does not mean that it was not true!
We all have free will to believe or disbelieve.
2) How is the mathematics wrong did you come from 2 mothers or 3 fathers? no, you came from 2. And where did they come from?

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by ogmios

1)Whether the billions believe or not does not mean that it was not true!
We all have free will to believe or disbelieve.
2) How is the mathematics wrong did you come from 2 mothers or 3 fathers? no, you came from 2. And where did they come from?

You miss the point of both.

1) Billions of people believe in something different than you do. We do not choose to complicate the issue. The number of people who believe in a proposition gives no value to the truth of that proposition.

2) I misunderstood your point about mathematics. The way it was presented sounded like the argument of how can the human population decrease if we all have two parents. However, it still doesn't logically show that we originally came from just two human beings. Evolutionary theory does not claim that individual species must arise from an original pair of that species. The evidence of several variations of hominids shows us that homo sapiens didn't suddenly appear male and female. Variations in physical structure arise from the genetic variation accounted for by natural selection. Or did God specifically put people with sickle cell anemia in a certain geographic location, individuals with a higher proportion of developing fat cells in norther climes........no need.

The assertion you have made is nothing more than a gap filling argument. It proves nothing about the Biblical god.

[Alceste]

Originally Posted by ogmios

1)Whether the billions believe or not does not mean that it was not true!
We all have free will to believe or disbelieve.
2) How is the mathematics wrong did you come from 2 mothers or 3 fathers? no, you came from 2. And where did they come from?

OK, let's use that math of yours. I came from two, and each of my parents came from two. That means I have 4 grandparents. They each had two parents, so there are 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, 32 great great great grandparents, 64 great great great grandparents. So even going back only 6 generations I already come from 64 people. By your logic - that it's just a matter of simple mathematics - does this mean we are all descended from hundreds of trillions of ancestors? Or does it mean that time flows backward for creationists?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Alceste

OK, let's use that math of yours. I came from two, and each of my parents came from two. That means I have 4 grandparents. They each had two parents, so there are 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, 32 great great great grandparents, 64 great great great grandparents. So even going back only 6 generations I already come from 64 people. By your logic - that it's just a matter of simple mathematics - does this mean we are all descended from hundreds of trillions of ancestors? Or does it mean that time flows backward for creationists?

You are leaving out all the incest that had to occure for the world to be populated from merely two people.

Incest causes deformity, which is why many Christians believe God forbid it.

So I wonder what adam and eve actually looked like, with all the deformity from all the incest...

[ogmios]

Once we have seen scientific proof that God is real and exists, it goes to proof that as we have been told in texts handed to man from God some 4000 years ago (dead sea scrolls) God made everything in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Good enough for me Cuz, science has proof that the universe started of as a big bang, no? Then just as the universe started with a big bang, so we must have come from two, is it Ok for us to believe one accepted truth but we cannot use the same theory of expansion for our own creation?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by ogmios

Once we have seen scientific proof that God is real and exists, it goes to proof that as we have been told in texts handed to man from God some 4000 years ago (dead sea scrolls) God made everything in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Good enough for me Cuz, science has proof that the universe started of as a big bang, no? Then just as the universe started with a big bang, so we must have come from two, is it Ok for us to believe one accepted truth but we cannot use the same theory of expansion for our own creation?

Huh?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Could you perhaps rephrase it?