Did/does god direct evolution? (Earth, Deist, creation, theist)

[misanthropic_clown]

Originally Posted by logician

ID cannot be true, because by far the most complex thing claimed by ID believers to exist (i. e. god) could not be a product of ID.

I recognise the truth in that assertion, but I do find a certain level of irony in it. Both religion and physics have to theorise into the unknown to justify the actual origin of all things. To say, therefore, that ID cannot be true because the creation of God cannot be explained is, I think, equivalent to saying physics cannot be true because we do not know how the universe really came about.

For either God or the natural creation of the universe, we find ourselves having to explore into previous realms we assume had different conditions than we know now. In that respect, adherence to one or the other is more a matter of preferential speculation than actual fact. To claim so fully that one "cannot be true" is therefore unreasonable.

[logician]

Originally Posted by misanthropic_clown

ITo say, therefore, that ID cannot be true because the creation of God cannot be explained is, I think, equivalent to saying physics cannot be true because we do not know how the universe really came about.

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Actually, science is a long way towards that goal, the difference between science and religion is that religion doesn't investigate, it just assumes.

[TurkeyOnRye]

Originally Posted by Soldano16

For those folks who believe in both god and evolution.

Evolution says life started as a primitive process. So was the evolution of man scripted by god? So all of living history is not random but all actions until the evolution of man were directly controlled by god until man evolved?

Did god just stack the odds a certain way?

And if the answer is yes, has the control been switched off? When?

Evolution doesn't require a god.

[Soldano16]

Originally Posted by ChristineES

he created the creatures

So you don't believe in evolution?

[pray4me]

Originally Posted by Soldano16

So you don't believe in evolution?

This question amuses me, do you mind if I ask you a similar one? So you don't believe in God?

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by pray4me

This question amuses me, do you mind if I ask you a similar one? So you don't believe in God?

How are these questions similar? Evolution, or the change in inherited characteristics of a population between generations, can be observed any time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one has reportedly seen the Christian God in over 2,000 years.

[Arlanbb]

RANDOM ~ I like what you said on this subject and did you know that George Washington was a Deist Evolutionist? arlan b

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Arlanbb

RANDOM ~ I like what you said on this subject and did you know that George Washington was a Deist Evolutionist? arlan b

Interesting. I was aware that he was a deist, as were many of the prominent founding fathers, but I was unaware he was an “evolutionist”. He certainly wasn’t a Darwinian evolutionist as George Washington died 60 years before "Origin of Species" was published and ten years before Charles Darwin was even born.

So what is your claim that George Washington was a evolutionist this based on?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by fantôme profane

Interesting. ... I was unaware he was an “evolutionist”. He certainly wasn’t a Darwinian evolutionist as George Washington died 60 years before "Origin of Species" was published and ten years before Charles Darwin was even born.

He was one sharp President!

[Arlanbb]

FANTOME ~ I think I made a mistake in adding the word "Evolutionist" to my statement about about George Washington. I had forgotten what a "Deist" really was. arlan