Did/does god direct evolution? (Earth, Deist, creation, theist)

[SaveMeJebus]

Originally Posted by Manipulated

Are you saying the earth was created by God in six days? Thats what my bible clearly states, but I dont believe it. I believe its written as six days but goes far beyond that and means a very long time, its written like that so that humans can understand it.

opposed to who else trying to understand the bible except humans. lol.

[Heneni]

If evolution implies that species will change themselves, all by themselves, in order to adapt to the changing surroundings where does that leave humans?

If humans are still evolving to adapt to their own environment we had better evolve into something else much quicker since our surroundings are changing much quicker than we can evolve.

I think that humans have evolved into something similar to a common virus, which destroys that which they live in. Unfortunately we have not evolved into something that actually protects the environment we live in. So it seems to me, we are de-evolving.

Evolution happens when species adapt to a changing environment, these species dont change the environment like the human specie and then try to evolve.

Humans on the other hand are changing their environment. They are therefore not able to evolve to adapt quick enough, since they have no control over the evolutionary process, but have a definite control over the environment. So in that way, I dont think human evolution is the same as for animals.

Evolution of animals and plants are a way for them to survive in a changing environment. Evolution of man on the other end, has resulted in them changing the environment faster than they can evolve. So evolution can only continue to gaurentee the survival of species, if there is no interference with the environment by humans or any other dominating specie. Therefore evolution is under threat.

Species evolve when the environment changes, but a specie that changes the environment is not governed by the evolutionary processes, these species are instead a threat to evolution, and therefore a threat to the survival of all species that are evolving.

Personally I think that God could have engineered evolution, but he did not engineer evolution for humans, since humans are suppose to look after the environment in which evolution for animals could take place. We are the only species that can live in hot and cold and wet and dry and any other type of environment. Plants and animals survive in a particular type of environment, but we wont die out if we change our location or habitat. So humans were not created to evolve.

Humans are changing their environment in a way that could make even this planet intollerable for them and all other species.


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Heneni

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Heneni

If evolution implies that species will change themselves, all by themselves, in order to adapt to the changing surroundings where does that leave humans?

It doesn't imply that, though. 'Evolution' observes the changes that occur in life-forms, and maps them. And it makes predictions, based on its maps, to further other areas of science and medicine.

Originally Posted by Heneni

If humans are still evolving to adapt to their own environment we had better evolve into something else much quicker since our surroundings are changing much quicker than we can evolve.

As far as I know, it's not based a ratio of changes in the environment to changes in the organism's species.

Originally Posted by Heneni

Evolution of animals and plants are a way for them to survive in a changing environment. Evolution of man on the other end, has resulted in them changing the environment faster than they can evolve.

That's how the human species will survive, though.

Originally Posted by Heneni

So evolution can only continue to gaurentee the survival of species, if there is no interference with the environment by humans or any other dominating specie. Therefore evolution is under threat.

Evolution doesn't have an agenda. It's based on observations in (large) part about survival of species, so its results will also be about survival. If humans survive by adapting to manipulate their environment, then that is one of their survival characteristics. Evolution prevails.

[Heneni]

Hello Willemena!

If humans survive by adapting to manipulate their environment, they also manipulate the environment of every other specie, and so perhaps they are ensuring their own survival, but not that of other species. External manipulation of the environment other than that caused by natural means, would result in a break down at least in part of the evolutionary processes. Evolution is closely related to a change in the environment.

It would be rather sad if we were the only specie to evolve, because we have the power to manipulate our environment in a way the other species cant.

We are the only specie that has the ability to manipulate our environment to such a large degree.

Evolution from way back when happened under different circumstances. Humans were not so abundant and the changes to the environment was more natural and gradual.

We are the only specie in this evolutionary process that can manipulate our environment to such an extent that it is harmfull to the evolution process of other species. Us and virusses.

In nature, the ecosystem of organisms are in balance, with all organisms contributing to this balance. We are not contributing to the balance, we are disturbing the balance.

If we are evolving it is into something that is not maintaining balance but instead have set ourselves above the natural laws that govern balance and evolution.

So humans are a threat to evolution, since we are a threat to the environment in which evolution naturally takes place.

heneni

[SaveMeJebus]

To be honest we are destroying the world quicker than it can build itself, but thus does not make us responsible for global warming which has happened through the course of earths history, 95% of all species died at one point and look at it now, do not underestimate the power of life's will to survive. Yes, most animals can't adapt quick enough and does are the animals that will unfortunately will die because if have affected global warming in any way it will be too late to do anything about it now. But for all we know in ten, twenty years time temperatures may start to fall again, and people will be praising al gore, when after all it may have dropped on it's own. pig's,cow's and other excrement count for most of the cO2 and nothing can be done about that.

[Heneni]

True...but pehaps if the world is destroyed agian, we wont be the specie that survives. Maybe we will maybe we wont. Its quite possible that a virus could beat us to the finishing line.

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Heneni

[logician]

Originally Posted by SaveMeJebus

ut thus does not make us responsible for global warming which has happened through the course of earths history, .

The collective opinion of the world's climatologists disagrees with you.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by logician

The collective opinion of the world's climatologists disagrees with you.

They certainly do.

Yes volcanoes belch out some crap at times, but the unremitting and ever increasing greenhouse gas output from human logistical agricultural and industrial activity is choking this planet slowly, quite apart from all the other toxins that are being expelled carelessly into the oceans and environment in general ahem but anyway....by the way the warmer it gets the more greenhouse gas is produced..how you say?

Water when evaporated becomes an excellent greenhouse gas, far more effective at absorbing and emitting infra red (heat) radiation than carbon dioxide...the warmer the atmosphere gets, the warmer the oceans get, more water is evaporated into gas...it's a self reinforcing process, what we are experiencing may just be the beginning.

Edit:
Take a look at Venus, the conditions on the surface there satisfy most if not all the medieval descriptions of Hell.

[Fluffy]

If God directs evolution then the effect that God has on the universe is indiscernible from chance.

[logician]

ID cannot be true, because by far the most complex thing claimed by ID believers to exist (i. e. god) could not be a product of ID.