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Old 04-22-2008, 05:41 AM
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Of course many natural phenomenon are beautiful, but that has nothing to do with the existence of some god.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:40 AM
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Of course many natural phenomenon are beautiful, but that has nothing to do with the existence of some god.
Answer this,anybody. Why does all natural beauty exist?
If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it, or hands to touch it then it serves no purpose at all. The day humanity can create a replica of the earth the size of a grain of sand and then add to it a new species that is capable of free choice and love, because the earth is like a grain of sand compared to the vastness of space.Only then will I say that there is no God.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:47 AM
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Answer this,anybody. Why does all natural beauty exist?
If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it, or hands to touch it then it serves no purpose at all.
But does beauty really exist? If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it or hands to touch it then I would suggest that beauty would cease to exist. The beauty of a rose exists not in the petals, but in the mind.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:51 AM
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But does beauty really exist? If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it or hands to touch it then I would suggest that beauty would cease to exist. The beauty of a rose exists not in the petals, but in the mind.
My point exactly.
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:59 AM
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Answer this,anybody. Why does all natural beauty exist?
If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it, or hands to touch it then it serves no purpose at all. The day humanity can create a replica of the earth the size of a grain of sand and then add to it a new species that is capable of free choice and love, because the earth is like a grain of sand compared to the vastness of space.Only then will I say that there is no God.
This argument has been refuted many times, complexity can and does come from evolution, with no help from some interfering god.
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This argument has been refuted many times, complexity can and does come from evolution, with no help from some interfering god.
Is that all you got?
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Is that all you got?
That's all I need.
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Answer this,anybody. Why does all natural beauty exist?
More interesting I think is how (or why) are we able to perceive it, and does a universal human understanding of beauty exist?

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If there were no eyes to see it or ears to hear it, or hands to touch it then it serves no purpose at all.
What purpose did it serve in a pre-human universe?

Be wary of the word 'purpose'.

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The day humanity can create a replica of the earth the size of a grain of sand and then add to it a new species that is capable of free choice and love, because the earth is like a grain of sand compared to the vastness of space.Only then will I say that there is no God.
Why? Human ingenuity does not consist of a sound argument against God as far as I know.
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Why? Human ingenuity does not consist of a sound argument against God as far as I know.
Nor is it a sound argument for the existence of a god.
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