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Old 02-15-2008, 02:17 PM
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There is no divine mystery, there is no reality. Life is an illusion.
Is the illusion real?
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:44 PM
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Who says I believe in a benevolant god?
Or a sadistic god for that matter?

Creator is neutral IMHO. The parasite has just as much right ot exist as the person.

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You mean there really is no spoon?
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Old 02-17-2008, 07:16 PM
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... How do you respond to Steven Pinker?

What twisted sadist would have invented a parasite that blinds millions of people or a gene that covers babies with excruciating blisters?

 The quote directly refers to ID. My point would be, however, that in the similar vein as the problem of evil, how do you reconcile a benevolent creator and a gene that covers babies with excruciating blisters?

Does God take nothing to do with evolutionary change?
Who says the creator god needs to be benevolent? In Gnosticism the creator God or The Demiurge creates our PHYSICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL Bodies, yet our spiritual bodies come from one source, the transcendental benevolent God of Love and Wisdom. We may say The God above "god" and when we do we may ask where is this God? This God (which transcends the very word God) lies deep within you beyond much of what you consider "yourself" it is at that point, where you find your inner divinity and reach the fact that you have become ignorant of this God and believed that where you are is where you came from... We come from Fullness, We come from the Light and We have been made to think we are sinners for our actions, we have been made ignorant of who at our deepest depths we really are.

So is this creator god connected to evolution? Very much so... These bodies are not us we are at our deepest levels part of the incomprehensible light. Our being is not our body. Wherever my body came from is not my concern it is where my being, my conciousness that is my concern, and returning to the source of our being.
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Who says I believe in a benevolant god?
Or a sadistic god for that matter?
A god that deliberately creates so that babies will suffer painful disorders appears sadistic. I suppose that depends upon God being 'all knowing'.
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A god that deliberately creates so that babies will suffer painful disorders appears sadistic. I suppose that depends upon God being 'all knowing'.
You presuppose a god that deliberately hand-crafts every baby.

All knowing and all meddling are two very different things.

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A god that deliberately creates so that babies will suffer painful disorders appears sadistic. I suppose that depends upon God being 'all knowing'.
...And where does it say that God is 'all-knowing'?

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I think it is true that it is very hard to prove that what we experience is "real", as life after all is only our perception of it.
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