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Old 02-09-2008, 05:10 PM
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After a lengthy trial, in which ID proponents did their best to prove your assertion, Judge Jones differed from you, based on the evidence. "The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory."

It is difficult to understand this issue without first understanding that both creationists and ID proponents are liars, as Judge Jones held. Once you understand this, everything falls into place.
Wow, yours is a very ignorant claim. In order to lie one has to know the the truth and chose to pervert it. As a Christian, science is not the answer to everything. It is an ends to a means, not the ends in and of its self. The way we judge and observe things differ from the way you observe and judge things. I will except the title of ignorant, but of a lier, no. I firmly believe in creation. So if I am not telling the truth, it is not a lie, but ignorance.
I will firmly hold this position until someone can give me a scientific explanation for the fact that the Bible is 100% correct on all its prophesies. How can someone living hundreds of years before Rome came to be know about crucification? How can there be a nation of Israel?
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Wow, yours is a very ignorant claim. In order to lie one has to know the the truth and chose to pervert it. As a Christian, science is not the answer to everything. It is an ends to a means, not the ends in and of its self. The way we judge and observe things differ from the way you observe and judge things. I will except the title of ignorant, but of a lier, no. I firmly believe in creation. So if I am not telling the truth, it is not a lie, but ignorance.
Many people hold that willful ignorance is the same as lying.
Some even contend that 'plausible deniability' equates to lying.

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I will firmly hold this position until someone can give me a scientific explanation for the fact that the Bible is 100% correct on all its prophesies. How can someone living hundreds of years before Rome came to be know about crucification? How can there be a nation of Israel?
Self fulfilling prophecy.
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So the theory is based on man existing since the start of the universe?
No, it states that the rules of the universe must allow for the existence of intelligent life.
Its kind of hard to wrap your head around. I think Rolling Stone had a good picture which represented it.
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No, it states that the rules of the universe must allow for the existence of intelligent life.
It seems a rather silly position based on nothing.
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It seems a rather silly position based on nothing.
Well, its the continuation of the weak principle, which is logical. The theory makes sense, but its unfalsifiable. So to base an argument off of it is kind of pointless.
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I will firmly hold this position until someone can give me a scientific explanation for the fact that the Bible is 100% correct on all its prophesies. How can someone living hundreds of years before Rome came to be know about crucification? How can there be a nation of Israel?
The same way Nostradamus could have predicted the 9/11 attack or Edgar Cayce predicted the assassination of JFK.
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I will firmly hold this position until someone can give me a scientific explanation for the fact that the Bible is 100% correct on all its prophesies. How can someone living hundreds of years before Rome came to be know about crucification? How can there be a nation of Israel?
Two wards:
Bible Code.

Of course, I read that it is actually much more accurate when the process is used with the novel War and Peace, but hey, what can you do?
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Well, its the continuation of the weak principle,
I think they should rename it from "strong" to "very weak".
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I think they should rename it from "strong" to "very weak".
If you can't falsify the anthropic principle, strong or weak, it's not scientific.
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I think they should rename it from "strong" to "very weak".
Well, it is the stronger form of the two principles, hence the name Strong Anthropic prinicple.
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