The Story of Creation (As I Understand) (Jesus, Earth, dinosaur)

[Green Kepi]

Tell me what you all think about this? Has this been discussed before? This is how I,as a Christian, understand the creation...and believe in the old earth explanation...to me this is where the dinosaurs, possible cave men and all that stuff happened....

In the Beginning...(before the first day of creation - not time), God allowed Jesus to do the creating (Colossians 1:16) the heavens (plural) and the earth (John 1:3). Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep (means the earth was flooded, desolate, and in darkness)...this means the earth was not created without form & void, but that it "became" that way at some point in time after it was created. Without form means to lie waste, a desolation (you cannot lie waste or make desolate something unless it was once in good condition).

For some reason, God destroyed everything on the old earth for some reason...this was not like Noah's Flood, this destruction was total, complete, nothing or no one survived...even the heavens were destroyed. This all means the earth was here before the first day of creation. 2 Peter 3:5-7 tells me there was a previous world on the face of this earth before Jesus created the present world of modern man.

Does this not invalidate the Doctrine of a Young Earth Creationism and opens a more perfect way to understanding how and why the Bible and the Geological Record are in agreement. I can visualize the "waters" (plural) could have been ice covered with a dark atmosphere. This theory could explain why the woolly mammoths were frozen so quickly that many still had food in their mouths.

Okay...this is a start...let me hear what you think?

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi

Tell me what you all think about this? Has this been discussed before? This is how I,as a Christian, understand the creation...and believe in the old earth explanation...to me this is where the dinosaurs, possible cave men and all that stuff happened....

In the Beginning...(before the first day of creation - not time), God allowed Jesus to do the creating (Colossians 1:16) the heavens (plural) and the earth (John 1:3). Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep (means the earth was flooded, desolate, and in darkness)...this means the earth was not created without form & void, but that it "became" that way at some point in time after it was created. Without form means to lie waste, a desolation (you cannot lie waste or make desolate something unless it was once in good condition).

For some reason, God destroyed everything on the old earth for some reason...this was not like Noah's Flood, this destruction was total, complete, nothing or no one survived...even the heavens were destroyed. This all means the earth was here before the first day of creation. 2 Peter 3:5-7 tells me there was a previous world on the face of this earth before Jesus created the present world of modern man.

Does this not invalidate the Doctrine of a Young Earth Creationism and opens a more perfect way to understanding how and why the Bible and the Geological Record are in agreement. I can visualize the "waters" (plural) could have been ice covered with a dark atmosphere. This theory could explain why the woolly mammoths were frozen so quickly that many still had food in their mouths.

Okay...this is a start...let me hear what you think?

Sounds like classic 'Gap Theory' :

Gap creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's certainly a lot easier to defend than young earth creationism. But it does throw up some possible doctrinal issues in the eyes of some:

What About the Gap & Ruin-Reconstruction Theories? - Answers in Genesis

[Green Kepi]

Interesting...I did not know all this information you supplied existed...you have any personal ideas as to why it could be wrong?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi

Interesting...I did not know all this information you supplied existed...you have any personal ideas as to why it could be wrong?

AiG is not the best place to look.

[Green Kepi]

I just looked at another Thread discussing basically the same thing...guess I should have looked before I started this one....

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi

In the Beginning...(before the first day of creation - not time), God allowed Jesus to do the creating (Colossians 1:16) the heavens (plural) and the earth (John 1:3).

This doesn't make any sense at all to me. From the earliest Christian confessions, it is God the Father that creates everything, indeed that is where the title of "father" for God comes from - the creative act. Jesus is never hailed as Creator, but as the means by which God creates. God creates through Christ, which could mean by means of. The creative and redemptive act then is through Christ.

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep (means the earth was flooded, desolate, and in darkness)...this means the earth was not created without form & void, but that it "became" that way at some point in time after it was created. Without form means to lie waste, a desolation (you cannot lie waste or make desolate something unless it was once in good condition).

Not sure where you're getting this. Do you think that "without form" means "to lie waste" because of some knowledge of Hebrew, from some book, or are you simply making it up? I think that some Protestants have believed this, that Satan came down to earth and destroyed everything and "laid waste" to everything that was, but this has nothing to do with any ancient Scripture.

The earth being formless and void simply indicates that there was something primordial that God used to create the earth.

For some reason, God destroyed everything on the old earth for some reason...this was not like Noah's Flood, this destruction was total, complete, nothing or no one survived...even the heavens were destroyed. This all means the earth was here before the first day of creation. 2 Peter 3:5-7 tells me there was a previous world on the face of this earth before Jesus created the present world of modern man.

An interesting fantasy, but not needed for anything.

Does this not invalidate the Doctrine of a Young Earth Creationism and opens a more perfect way to understanding how and why the Bible and the Geological Record are in agreement. I can visualize the "waters" (plural) could have been ice covered with a dark atmosphere. This theory could explain why the woolly mammoths were frozen so quickly that many still had food in their mouths.

Okay...this is a start...let me hear what you think?

Interpreting the creation story in Genesis as literal - or having anything to do with the sciences (geology, biology, etc) is nonsense. One would think that after Galileo, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein that Christians would stop fantasizing about Scripture in a way that conforms to whatever is stylish in science and be honest and approach the text for the myth that it is.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi

...this is a start...let me hear what you think?

yawn ...

[Green Kepi]

Excuse me...Jay. If it puts you to sleep...why respond? Oh...I suppose that I'm not as highly evolved as you or have I "arrived"....

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi

Okay...this is a start...let me hear what you think?

My first thought is that you don't know science very well. My second thought is perhaps you might try tackling topics that are within your reach. There is no problem with having lofty goals, however those goals should be attainable for them to have any real value. Aside from this your "theory" cannot be "proven" nor "disproven", (oh heck, it cannot even be tested) so really... what is the point.