Atheists: WOW proof this Book is from God. (religion, islam)

[~Amin~]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Ball

Sounds to me like clouds though..

How do clouds protect?

[~Amin~]

Originally Posted by Orthodox

Amin,
It is not at all clear that Muhammad meant the ozone layer. I mean, seriously, if the passage from the Qur'an was supposed to refer to the layer of Ozone that protects us from UV rays from the sun why didn't it just say so in less ambiguous language.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree here.

You have right to disagree if you like,lets forget about the
Qur'an for a moment, but the fact that there is an ozone layer
protecting us from certain harmful things, clearly prove the existence of God
how else would the ozone layer itself Know to protect us it doesn't have
intelligence, or conscience HOW else could this be? whats your explanation?

Originally Posted by Orthodox

Unless one begins reading the Qur'an with the preconceived notion that it actually was delivered via Gabriel to Muhammad one cannot honestly believe that it is an ancient reference to what modern science has only recently discovered.

Or unless one begins reading the Qur'an with the preconceived notion
or with biased, one cannot deny that the Qur'an is more then the thoughts
of a man in the 7th century, as admitted by certain atheists.

Originally Posted by Orthodox

The Qur'an is full to the brim with ridiculous statements about nature that have been proven wrong by science - it's just wistful thinking to believe otherwise.
Can you show us where its been proven wrong?

The Qur'an is a Revelation from the Lord of the worlds, there is no
doubt in it, from the Almighty.

Originally Posted by Orthodox

Now you're just playing fast and loose with the truth. Did you really think that when people call evolution a theory that they didn't mean it in the scientific definition? I mean, it's in science books and peer reviewed articles, right?

To me, and everyone who is logical and intelligent KNOW that
all evolution does is say that because there's a similarity in the appearance of
man and ape that there MAY be a link.
IT DOES not and cannot give us solutions to the problems of man,
how did darwin tell us to deal with poverty in the world,
how did darwin tell us to deal with diseases in the world,
how did darwin tell us to deal with Humans, and animals , environment in the world
how did darwin tell us to deal with domestic violence in the world
were did the oceans, trees, mountains, beautiful water falls, rainbows,
flowers, beautiful colours, sun moon universe come about? I'm sure
not by apes do you agree?
so you see the assumption of evolution is DEFFICIENT for the human
existence, the evolution theory does not do anything for mankind,
NOTHING darwin was the manifestation of the devil on earth.
He looks scary if you ask me, i looked at his picture dressed in all
black, if a child saw that scene they would have night mares.

[painted wolf]

but the fact that there is an ozone layer
protecting us from certain harmful things, clearly prove the existence of God
how else would the ozone layer itself Know to protect us it doesn't have
intelligence, or conscience HOW else could this be? whats your explanation?

The ozone layer is a natural phenominon.
And it isn't all good for us either... did you know that it will also kill you if its in the wrong place.
That is what smog is, ozone trapped at a lower level. It is deadly.
Now why should god intentionally make something to protect us, that will also kill us?
A bit neurotic isn't it?

IT DOES not and cannot give us solutions to the problems of man,
how did darwin tell us to deal with poverty in the world,
how did darwin tell us to deal with diseases in the world,
how did darwin tell us to deal with Humans, and animals , environment in the world
how did darwin tell us to deal with domestic violence in the world

Nor should it. That is not evolutions job, or Darwins. Darwin wasn't a religious leader, just a good scientist. That is why no one worships Darwin.
Religion has been trying to stop those problems for thousands of years and none of them have gotten any better by the way.

so you see the assumption of evolution is DEFFICIENT for the human
existence, the evolution theory does not do anything for mankind,
NOTHING darwin was the manifestation of the devil on earth.
He looks scary if you ask me, i looked at his picture dressed in all
black, if a child saw that scene they would have night mares.

So you don't use modern medicine at all do you?

Anyway the rest it just silly.
Its a black and white photo... he could have been in any color other than white and it would look black. Blue, red, green, orange...
If you really want to go tit for tat as to who looks scarry I can bring up a picture of a muslim leader. Nice looking people do evil things just as much as anyone elce.

But it has no bearring on ANYTHING. How someone looks doesn't change the validity of thier message. Its just rediculous and I can't believe that someone trying to pass themselves of intelligent would ever use such an argument.

wa:do

[Darkness]

Yunus: I see, well I have a surprise for you….In the Holy Qur’ân, chapter 21, verse 30 says. “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart”. Here we can see that the Holy Qur’ân is speaking about this ‘BIG BANG’ theory and let me tell you that the Holy Qur’ân was revealed over 1400 years ago.

A stretch in description. "The Heavens and Earth joined together" implies something different than the infinitely dense particle. The only reason you connect the two is because you start with a preconceived notion and then apply the Qur'anic verse to that idea.

Yunus: Amazingly the Holy Qur’ân in chapter 31, verse 29 says, “Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night.” The use of the word merges emphasizes a slow gradual change, and this is not possible if the earth is flat.

Any moron in the 7th century could tell that the daylight fades and the morning light slowing increases.

Yunus: The Holy Qur’ân in chapter 25, verse 61 mentions, “Blessed is the one who placed the constellations in the Heaven and placed therein a lamp and a Moon reflecting light.” Here the Sun is referred to as a lamp for it has its own illumination, while the Moon is said to have reflected light or borrowed light, meaning not its own.

The Noble Qur'an says:
Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;


That's all...

Originally Posted by ~Amin~

You have right to disagree if you like,lets forget about the
Qur'an for a moment, but the fact that there is an ozone layer
protecting us from certain harmful things, clearly prove the existence of God
how else would the ozone layer itself Know to protect us it doesn't have
intelligence, or conscience HOW else could this be? whats your explanation?

It proves nothing. If the Ozone Layer did not exist, then we simply wouldn't be around to discuss our potential deaths without it [the Ozone Layer]. You are working backwards.

[charles brough]

Okey, Lets just take the first of the so-called "scientific" assertions in the Qur'an that he quotes: "the heaven and Earth were joined and Allah separated them." That is suppose to be the "big bang theory!" It leaves open the question: did he "create" them joined and then have to separate the Earth from it or did he "create" it separately. And did he create matter and energy at the time of the "big bang" or the universe's matter and energy BEFORE the big bang. After all, no scientists claims that the "big bang" CREATED
the universe's matter and energy. It was, theoretically, just infinitely condensed.

The scientific assumption would be that the universe has ALWAYS been here. Time, space, energy, matter are for all we know INFINITE. There can be no beginning and end to the infinite.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by charles brough

There can be no beginning and end to the infinite.

Rubbish.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Jay

Rubbish.

I never did understand the whole "there can be no beginning if something is infinite" claim.
And unfortunately, every time I ask about it, I am blatantly ignored.

[Rowenn]

I think this goes in the "Comparitive Religion" section...