Why Creationism over Evolution? Bring on the arguments (Creator, Earth)

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Daquine

I think this statement would ring the most true for me. Although, as a Christian, I would go with creationism as part of the belief system.

I see alot of evolutionists, atheists and the such state matter of factually that evolution is the only way and they think they got the evidence to proof it.

Evolution is not atheism. ToE is not the theory that there is no God. ToE is a scientific theory. Science is not about proof, it's about evidence. And ToE is extremely well-evidenced, which is why it is THE accepted theory in Biology.

The proof being the pictures of the "residue of the big bang" and the "knowledge" of how old fossils are (and among other things) and all of those small pieces of "evidence" can't truely be proven. Was anybody there during the Big Bang? Was anybody around long enough to witness the evolution of Earth's speices? No they weren't.

ToE is not about Big Bang or anything of the sort, and this sort of post demonstrates an utter ignorance of what ToE is and says, which is what I usually find among people who reject it. Does it make sense to you to reject a theory without knowing what it says? Actually there is a lot of evidence, and if you will stick around and read it, I will post it here in plain English. It will result in a very long thread, because there is so much of it.

You seem to think that science cannot learn about anything that happened in the past. Kind of limits the possibilities, doesn't it?

This argument cuts against yourself, unless you were there when Jesus allegedly rose from the dead. Somehow I think you'll suddenly be singing a different tune about what it takes to believe something that happened in the past.

Of course, logically, I can't say I would know the same about creationism. No one was around when God just went *click* and created everything.

Or didn't, as the case may be.

The point I'm trying to make is that nobody can prove either points of the argument. We are all mortal after all. It's all simply a matter of belief.

No. There is a world between, "We can't know or prove for certain," and "We have no idea, and anyone can believe whatever they want," and that world is called science. Science is for understanding and learning about ALL those things we can't prove or know for certain--but for pretty darn close. That's what ToE is about.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by blueinchains

People, I believe, justify their belief in fiat creation for the same reason that evolutionists justify their belief in evolution. Perception. And belief. There are valid arguments for both points, hence this thread and forum.

Onlyif you reject the scientific method as a way of learning about the world. Odd that you would do that on a computer though.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Daquine

I agree that evolution is there, as you noted in your example of bacteria and antibacteria. And of course, we notice variations on a single species of creatures like cats. Lions, tigers, mtn lions (aka cougars) are an example. They all adapt to the environment they live in.

I've come to one particular theory of the coexistance of faith of a higher power and evolution. The theory is God created everything we see, and has given His creatures, (us humans and all the other animals of the earth) the ability to adapt to their surroundings in an evolutionary sense.

Would you call yourself a Theistic Evolutionist then?

[Autodidact]

Ooh, Hope, I was just at the pediatrician's and thought of a great metaphor. O.K., God is the creator of all of us, right? We now know, which we did not 500 years ago, how babies come to be: sperm, egg, mitosis, meiosis, implantation, embryo, etc. etc. This "theory", or scientific explanation, is not the theory that God doesn't make babies, any more than the theory of evolution is the theory that God doesn't make species. If you believe there is a God, it's the scientific explanation for how He does it. (If you don't believe in God, it's the whole explanation.) It doesn't make sense to reject all this information about reproduction just because you believe that God creates us. In the same way, it doesn't make sense to reject the theory of evolution, which Biology considers as well established as Reproductive theory, just because you believe God is the Creator of all things, including species.

[Evolution_Not]

"Toe is not about big bang" Actually it is. Evolution has to have a starting point as does God which is pre-big bang. Cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, planetary evolution, chemical evolution, biologic evolution. If you only had one atom in the universe void of all other matter, where did
this one atom come from?

Makng a better ear of corn is not evolution.
Becoming resistant to an insecticide is not evolution, it is adaptation which is LIMITED and produces no new species.

[mingmty]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

"Toe is not about big bang" Actually it is. Evolution has to have a starting point as does God which is pre-big bang. Cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, planetary evolution, chemical evolution, biologic evolution. If you only had one atom in the universe void of all other matter, where did
this one atom come from?

Makng a better ear of corn is not evolution.
Becoming resistant to an insecticide is not evolution, it is adaptation which is LIMITED and produces no new species.

You are confused my friend, there is a Theory of Evolution and there is the definition of the word "Evolution" which people like to use for a lot of things, like for example, the "evolution of US hisotry", which doesn't mean the US became a new specie.

You seem to overlook all the fossil records and the natural environment of isolated islands, which is from where the Theory of Evolution was proposed, this are evidence that support the theory. You are welcomed to scientifically support your theory too, but that's going to be a difficult task since the very principles of creationism don't follow the scientific method: Can't be tested, can't be denied or put in doubt, can't be supperpassed. Creationism IS NOT SCIENCE, and it will never be, you can believe whatever you want but please, o please, stop making fun of the Theory of Evolution by comparing it to something completely unscientific.

Interesting reading of what happens in isolated islands: Steatopygia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you want, explain us how Steatopygia originated (or ceased to exist) using your pseudo-theory.

[Evolution_Not]

Mingmty
Perhaps you should re read my post instead of dancing around my challenge.
You seem to be crediting me with things I did not state, and ignorant of what I did state.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Evolution_Not

"Toe is not about big bang" Actually it is. Evolution has to have a starting point as does God which is pre-big bang. Cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, planetary evolution, chemical evolution, biologic evolution. If you only had one atom in the universe void of all other matter, where did
this one atom come from?

Makng a better ear of corn is not evolution.
Becoming resistant to an insecticide is not evolution, it is adaptation which is LIMITED and produces no new species.

The Theory of Evolution is not the idea of evolution extrapolatable into any old context. It is simply a theory of biology.